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2006-2007 Skis

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I found this website and it has pictures of all next years gear.

http://www.sportsgearguide.com/press...2006/ski.shtml
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post #3 of 17
Kick Ass!

Does anyone know if Atomic managed to decrease the weight of their cement block Neox bindings? I'm a huge Atomic fan, but will NEVER buy a Metron because of their massive weight.
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Originally Posted by deltat
Kick Ass!

Does anyone know if Atomic managed to decrease the weight of their cement block Neox bindings? I'm a huge Atomic fan, but will NEVER buy a Metron because of their massive weight.
Again, the 06 Neox (412) is a "normal" weight binding. My m11 with 06 Neox's are no heavier than most setups.
post #5 of 17
I wish I could get more detail on the fischer race skis
post #6 of 17
Phil,

With all due respect, I have weighed each and every Metron binding against the other companies. (Yeah..sounds sick, but I have...)No one, no one makes a heavier binding. They are indeed cement blocks compared with the competitors like bindings. Great skis though! Love em!!
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ps: ie: Salomon 912 Ti binding set up..just over a pound lighter than Metron's set up, per unit. (2 + pounds for the set) I ski both..heavy and light skis...so not a killer to me..but when looking for a lighter or "normal set up" Atomic ain't got it...Hope they change this next year...killer sticks anyway.
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I've heard the Metron's are great, and I had an opportunity to demo five different sets of this years (05-06) skiis when I was out in Colorado. In the end I demoed 4 different pairs of skiis, none of them were Metron's.

I was given a Metron in one hand and a Head Monster (I think it had Marker bindings) in the other. I was told to lift them up side by side. After that test, I no longer had any desire to ride the Metron's.
post #9 of 17
deltat, you lost out, then. Three things:

1) You don't feel the weight while skiing them.
2) The demo bindings are more than 2lbs heavier than the standard Neox bindings.
3) The Metrons are no heavier than many other ski/binding combinations in their class and recommended sizes, including the Head Supershape, Nordica Hot Rods, K2 Apaches, etc.

I think one of the issues is that folks compare a 162cm Metron to a 170cm something else and think that the Metron should be lighter. But, since those are the lengths that you'll ski, that's not really true, is it?

Anyway, weight is a very poor reason to reject a demo. I think that the person who told you to lift them side by side did you a disservice.
post #10 of 17
Greetings SSH,

I agree with the demo part, (certainly not apples to apples) however weight does come into play in a more complex manner than what you could possibly be lending word here to deltat or anyone else reviewing your comments. (Note: I personally love many models Atomic puts out...not the issue here)

This thread really centers around one of your quotes actually..which I for one pationaltely love..."Good skiing is about the expansion and refinement of your skill base. There really is no one right way for all situations in skiing." (not joking...cool quote...)

The bottom line is simple and cannot be mis-understood, nor should it be misstated. When you compare the Neox bindings to all others, only the Marker piston series comes close to the heaviness. Between the two, they are the heaviest by far and to many, weight does matter. Not an opinon but fact, having said that, I offer the following....

I have read countless negative comments from skiers like us that just have different bias..a bias toward a lighter or more normal weight set up and those that enjoy a more stable set up...(heavier). I have also read other skiers comments and heard from two shops I trust in Mammoth Lakes about the weight of the Metron series in general both picking up and skiing...with regard to Metron's and thus I have felt it myself in two of their models sized appropiatly to me.

I am sure you have awesome days on yours...which is great...all I or many others state is ya just can't call a Metron a "normal set up" it simply weighs more than many other "All Mountain set ups". But again, may not be a bad thing to some.

The important thing is folks looking at Metrons should know that they are not know to ski light or feel light. However, that may not be a bad thing at all to some..therein lies the important part I suppose. Equally or possibly more important is getting them in the right size. Just like Volkls, you don't need much from Atomic sizewise as you well know to have em hold...but some folks don't know that I suppose.

In some ski's this may be fantastic, depending on what that consumer is looking for, ie: Out of my quiver, I have a semi heavy pair of 06' Supersport 5 stars in a 175 with the heavy piston set up from Marker. They hold my 195lb 6'0 frame steady and rock solid at 50+ mph, however I would not want that sort of set up for a lighter snow day or a day I knew I was hitting a lot of chutes, etc...but more for groomers. For instance, my Five Star's feel and ski much heavier than my 06' Dynastar Big Troubles set up (size 176) with 912 Ti bindings..and for good reason.

I suppose the point is 1. Yes, Atomic's weigh more than most all competetor's when you weigh them out due to their bindings...not the ski's themselves and 2. Some folks may want/need or not need that in their set up/appplication and 3. Your point #1 above is merely subjective ( I have felt the weight difference in both the 11 and 9 Metron series..in my correct size I might add) and feel a much heavier ski both under boot on the snow and in the shop. Chalk it up to experiences and likes/dislikes.

To say they weigh the same just does'nt jive with the scale or my extensive experience with the Metron line. (I still love em..when I want that kind of ski for that kind of day)

Cheers...
post #11 of 17
I suspect that people's opinions regarding the weight of Metrons/Neoxs correlate directly with how they ski them. If you are inclined toward one-footed "lift the inside ski to turn" style skiing, or lots of older style hoppy turns then I'd imagine you'd notice the weight. A ton. If you are turning primarily by rolling both skis, then I just don't see the weight thing coming into play. How much more energy does it take to roll one ski vs another (even with a heavy binding) onto its edge? Even if you are forcing pivots, the majority of weight is concentrated in the middle of the ski - so as long as you are not lifting it is not clear to me that you'd notice the weight difference (I'll just take your word that there even is one these days).

I notice the weight of my 6-14s + M:B5s when they are on my shoulders. A bunch. Not at other times. And I don't buy the idea that it is a matter of "bias". It is a question of whether or not you are using these skis they way they were designed to be used. And the Metrons - especially the B5s and 11s strike me as skis with an extreme design bias (although you can skid/slide them).

I'm not telling anyone how to ski. And I know plenty of people who ski with an older style than I do and are still stronger skiers than I am. I'm sure not going to tell them how to ski! But I think it is off-base to thrash a ski for being heavy if the entire reason that weight is even noticeable is because you are not using the ski the way it was designed to be used.
post #12 of 17
The Metron B5 162cm with Neox bindings is 15.8lbs. This is at the heavier end of the spectrum for high-end skis for fairly midweight skiers, but, as spindrift outlines, if you ski them as they are designed to be skied (rolling from edge to edge and not using unweighting techniques), you do not notice the weight at all while skiing (although some notice it on chairlift rides). Personally, I don't notice the weight this year (after the 1.4lb reduction over last year's 17.2). The RX8 is 13.5, the Top Fuel a bit under 16lbs (effectively the same in a 170 as the B5 in a 162). I skied the RX8 and B5 both last season and only the B5 this year. I could tell the RX8 was lighter, but only because of overall snow feel, not fatigue or anything else.

Note, however, that I do not unweight in my skiing at all and do not lift my skis (I let the snow do that !).
post #13 of 17
That new Salomon race boot...is that replacing the X2 Lab?
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I didnt realize kneissel was still around. Whats up with that "6 edge" tech they developed? Small radius and large radius, and the base of the ski appears to have 2 separate edges. Is this correct?? Sounds absolutely nutty!
post #15 of 17

Totally agree! :)

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Originally Posted by spindrift
I suspect that people's opinions regarding the weight of Metrons/Neoxs correlate directly with how they ski them. If you are inclined toward one-footed "lift the inside ski to turn" style skiing, or lots of older style hoppy turns then I'd imagine you'd notice the weight. A ton. If you are turning primarily by rolling both skis, then I just don't see the weight thing coming into play. How much more energy does it take to roll one ski vs another (even with a heavy binding) onto its edge? Even if you are forcing pivots, the majority of weight is concentrated in the middle of the ski - so as long as you are not lifting it is not clear to me that you'd notice the weight difference (I'll just take your word that there even is one these days).

I notice the weight of my 6-14s + M:B5s when they are on my shoulders. A bunch. Not at other times. And I don't buy the idea that it is a matter of "bias". It is a question of whether or not you are using these skis they way they were designed to be used. And the Metrons - especially the B5s and 11s strike me as skis with an extreme design bias (although you can skid/slide them).

I'm not telling anyone how to ski. And I know plenty of people who ski with an older style than I do and are still stronger skiers than I am. I'm sure not going to tell them how to ski! But I think it is off-base to thrash a ski for being heavy if the entire reason that weight is even noticeable is because you are not using the ski the way it was designed to be used.
Spindrift,

Could not agree more! Great comments. To be honest, we should be happy we have such a wide selection to chose from! (and my wife does'nt kill me for having 6 pairs!!!) I know, as I said...I certainly ski my much heavier 5 star's ( and in the past my 11's) with a different application and style, vs. perhaps my pow ski's.

Cheers,

DJB
post #16 of 17
Amen! Great points....as another example...my Volkl 5 star's feel like a ton on my shoulder, but ski like a ferrari edge to edge..and hold like a mother at high speeds as well. They ski light...and fast under foot.

I just did'nt feel as quick as a response from my properly sized 11's or 9's...they felt slower..and heavier...but still some of the best edge grip around...far more than this lowly level 8/9 needs probably!!!
post #17 of 17
This is another good source: http://www.ski-depot.com/live_from_las_vegas1.htm

has some good shots of race skis. Has the cosmetic component of the volkl ractigers changed? I wonder what the orange racetigers are.
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