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Women's moguls (spoiler)

post #1 of 32
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It was nice to a canadain girl win a gold medal in the mogals. What a race.
post #2 of 32
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Originally Posted by bubba
It was nice to a canadain girl win a gold medal in the mogals. What a race.
No it was'nt !

That blonde bird Tra wuz robbed !

I was quite happy with the blonde, French, blonde medal positions until the last one spoilt it.

I believe there was a heavy Canadian presence on the judges. So no bias there then.:

Anyway, over on Snowheads, there is agreement that Tra was definitely the best-looking competitor.
post #3 of 32
It was nice to see a canadian win. I also agree that Tra is the best looking.
post #4 of 32
I'd have to agree that Kari Traa was hot........ but Jennifer Heil's run was so smooth... I thought it was great!

I also thought the Czech girl's run was good too..... and the Japanese girl's off axis 720 on the 2nd jump was really good.
post #5 of 32
Um, the women's moguls qualifiers are on American TV right now.... I really apreciate you spoiling this for me.

It's one thing to make a thread that says mogul results - but a thread title that says canada wins gold kind of ruins the fun.

Also in Sixth Sense Bruce Willis is Dead, and in Hustle and Flow DJay beats up Skinny and goes to jail but makes it big anyway.... now we're even.::::
post #6 of 32
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Originally Posted by KennyG
Um, the women's moguls qualifiers are on American TV right now.... I really apreciate you spoiling this for me.

It's one thing to make a thread that says mogul results - but a thread title that says canada wins gold kind of ruins the fun.

Also in Sixth Sense Bruce Willis is Dead, and in Hustle and Flow DJay beats up Skinny and goes to jail but makes it big anyway.... now we're even.::::
Ditto. Thanks guy.
post #7 of 32
Too bad Steve Podborski has to announce with that other Ahole. The guy's an idiot.
post #8 of 32
It's not televised here for another 7 hours!
post #9 of 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyG
It's one thing to make a thread that says mogul results - but a thread title that says canada wins gold kind of ruins the fun.
Ditto, again.

Standard Internet etiquette is that you put "spoiler" in the title of any thread with results of an event that's being broadcast delayed.

Incidentally, "Rosebud" was a skeleton, or maybe a luge ... anyway it was some kind of sled.
post #10 of 32
Agree that we need to try not to be a spoiler. That said, I also must say don't sign in here until you are prepared to have someone spoil it for you! Traa's comments in the Norwegian paper was that she thought Jennifer was scored a little high, but she also conceded that she thought Jennifer skied the best. As far as looks are concerned, Kari Traa is very pretty, maybe we should all thank the Japanese journalist who called her "fat" at the Nagano games! Made her give up her vice which was eating way to much chocholate.
post #11 of 32
huh. After Sex and the City, I saw the women's moguls, but the qualifiers. I'm glad teh canadian won! although, in the quals, there was a Norwegian girl who did the smoothest, most relaxed run you ever saw. I kind-of thought she'd do it.
God NBC SUCKS. I saw the Norwegian, the Canadain, the Australian Manuela Berchtold (why? I was amazed and delighted to see her, she's frigging brilliant, but why her and not all the others? she qual'd 15th) and a shoal of USA jokes. WHY can't they show all the good ones? Why can't they show ALL of them? You see the Qual leader board and there's all these people, and we see a procession of really ordinary americans. fark. Why do US TV watchers like this? Why do they think it's OK to see a bunch of US skiiers and stuff-all of anyone else... what do they think worldwide competition is all about? the Olympics is a chance to see the best in the world. Why do they settle for 4th rate so long as it's flapping a US flag?

That said, I wonder what happend to the Norwegian woman, who made that bump course look flat and smooth in the quals.
post #12 of 32
ant:
You have now experienced the world of US coverage of the Olympics. In my opinion absolutely horrid. However, they are not showing the Olympics to cater to someone like you and I and others who know the difference between mogul skiing and the downhill. Saw my first US televised Olympics in 1972, I think I wrote a letter of complaint to the broadcst company every olympics since then until I got e-mail for the 1998 Olympics. Since then I have sent them an e-mail complaint. As I said in an earlier post, the saviour for me is being close enough to the Canadian border to get CBC. The funniest Olympics I watched was 1998. One guy had a website called the "CBS dissatisfaction page". Some very funny rants on that site. Take compfort that you are not alone.
post #13 of 32
It's just so annoying. They have no concept of what "world" competition is all about. "Here's us Yanks. Um, and now let's see a tourist video!".

for the past 3 winter olympics, I've been in the US and it's bloody BLOODY annoying. I want to see all of it! Or if it must be squished into prime time, show us the best 10 or whatever. But do NOT show us a bunch of also-rans just becuase they wear the stars and stripes. Please. How insulting is that? To them, and to the people who achieved, and to sports lovers.

That they continue to do it says many un complimentary things about this country.
post #14 of 32
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Originally Posted by ant
the Australian Manuela Berchtold (why? I was amazed and delighted to see her, she's frigging brilliant, but why her and not all the others? she qual'd 15th)
Because it was her run that knocked Kearney out. And,while the coverage is its usual US-centric snore, Kearney is hardly a joke- 2005 moguls world champion at 19 yo.
post #15 of 32
We (USA) have an ego problem. That's how GWBush was elected. Also, we don't do well when it comes to stuff outside the border.

I thought the Canadian skied well. She has real quick feet.

The Scandinavian, silver, skied well too. She wears too much make-up. I bet she wears perfume too. Nothing worse than a woman on the mountain wearing perfume.

Sarah B. (sp), was she beat up from injuries? Her face looked black and blue.

They said there were 20 in the finals. Did I miss something?
post #16 of 32
Actually, I think it has more to do with skiing as an Olympic sport. For example, how many of the pairs figure skating will they show? All of them, I think. For the skiing public, it's unfortunate that we don't get to see the entire field, but I think that the producers don't think there's enough interest. Notice that the moguls were all shown at once while the figure skating was broken up to keep people watching?

Anyone other than me think that the moguls just don't look like real skiing? The bumps are so sculpted that Terry thought it looked like a video game, and the skiing is just so machinistic. I liked the mogul comps that were held on mogul fields...
post #17 of 32
I dunno. I've seen a lot of those WC mogul fields; they are steep and they are nasty. The camera makes them look benign but they aren't. They are horrible. The Norwegian woman just glided through it, but the rest (especially the US jokes) made my back hurt.
post #18 of 32
I didn't mean to imply that they aren't big. Only that they aren't real. They're sculpted.
post #19 of 32
They're not the upturned canoes that we often ski, but they are evil and hard as hell. The uphill bit is a cutoff thing and the run is steep and the bumps are rock hard. Yeah, it's not a punter bump run with all sorts of rubbish, but they have to do a couple of tricks. I don't espouse the fall line bump style at all, but for waht they have to do, it's necessary.
post #20 of 32
Although ...

You have to wonder about:

- The Canadians who (maybe they've fixed this, I haven't checked) identify Caroline Lalive as a French downhiller on the CBC website.

- The English announcers on Eurosport, who pronounce Rahlves "Rawl-vays."
post #21 of 32
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Originally Posted by sjjohnston
Although ...

You have to wonder about:

- The English announcers on Eurosport, who pronounce Rahlves "Rawl-vays."
He was probably getting his own back on all the Americans who do not pronounce words 'correctly'. This includes their own names sometimes - e.g the surname 'McKay'
post #22 of 32
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Originally Posted by jonpole

I also thought the Czech girl's run was good too..... and the Japanese girl's off axis 720 on the 2nd jump was really good.
I don't recall seeing either performance. Was I watching a different broadcast?
post #23 of 32
I watched the women's moguls comp on NBC last night too. Had already viewed the results hours before. I agree with Norefjell and ant about these delayed "packaged' Olympic events. Detested the concept years ago when the corporate commercial driven Olympic broadcasting by our American networds started doing this. May work for subjective events like ice skating, but please for the rest give us live events whether that means getting up to watch at 4am or whatever. Look NBC just for that crass attitude, I am muting all your commercials each time action switches.

I thought Jennifer Heil with fine knee action had the slightest edge over Traa who is generally the smoothest turner. Heil had the best run in the prelims too. And Sandra Laoura who took the bronze looked pretty close. A joy to watch. NBC was showing each gals height and weight in the starting gates, and I noticed French gal Sandra is my exact match at 66" and #132. After the finish the three all got together for photogs and I couldn't help but notice the beautiful faces of each of these superb women atheletes. Yeah the women freestylers are pretty much all terrific looking gals. I'm a long time recreational bump skier and have always skied more like women mogulers. More finesse and less speed. Not a fan of the machine made bumps or the speed facet of the judging. Though such bumps are firm, being so regular means one can ski them without quite the considerable skill of ever changing eye and brain reaction ordinary mogul slopes provide. Would much rather see mogul skiing get rid of the speed criteria and just judge on turns and aerials. For speed they could simply put in a more relaxed minimal time with points subtracted for being too slow. Excessive speed grates against the turn aesthetic and with the far more expanded aerial maneuvers would benefit from a less hurried approach.

...dave
post #24 of 32
I thought Traa should have won the Gold, just an after thought. Shows how differently we all perceive judging events.

I would like to see speed be less of a factor in mogul judging. More emphasys put on quality of turns.

I also think airials should be just that, a different competition, not part of moguls, and a longer course.
post #25 of 32
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Originally Posted by Latchigo
No it was'nt !

I believe there was a heavy Canadian presence on the judges. So no bias there then.:
Is this a fact or just sour grapes? I have no idea as maybe there is a heavy presence of Canadian judges. As far as I know there may not be a one on the panel.

I saw the comp and wondered about Heil's bauble on the last few bumps and also the 'ease' of her tricks. However she did have the fastest run I believe. I don't know how much that enters into the score though or anything else about the scoring/judging. Judged sports are always a nightmare, that's why I wonder why they bothered to add half pipe.
post #26 of 32

Judging breakdown

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Originally Posted by L7
I saw the comp and wondered about Heil's bauble on the last few bumps and also the 'ease' of her tricks. However she did have the fastest run I believe. I don't know how much that enters into the score though or anything else about the scoring/judging. Judged sports are always a nightmare, that's why I wonder why they bothered to add half pipe.

Speed counts for 25%, arials for 25%, and the bumps for 50%. I watched both the NBC and CBC coverage. The CBC announcers (including at least one mogul skier) actually explained why the various marks were being given. Since Heil skied in final position you'd had a fairly good critique of each of the skiers (we get to see every run) and the scoring without two much flag waving. Heil's form in the bumps was considered her big advantage, plus she's managed to shave almost two seconds off her run time in the last two weeks.

I feel for all you folks who have to depend on the NBC coverage Although my wife did give me grief for staying up until 5:00 am to watch the downhill live this morning.
post #27 of 32
Who was the Bobble Head? I don't remember her name, but I thought her head would come off ...it was banging up and down, and I thought that would hurt like hell. I didn't catch her name.......

I agree with ant. I want to see the people who have their names on the board, not just the US people. It's embarrassing.
post #28 of 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by Latchigo
No it was'nt !

That blonde bird Tra wuz robbed !

I was quite happy with the blonde, French, blonde medal positions until the last one spoilt it.

I believe there was a heavy Canadian presence on the judges. So no bias there then.:

Anyway, over on Snowheads, there is agreement that Tra was definitely the best-looking competitor.
Traa wasn't robbed, not even according to her.

A heavy Canadian presence on the judging panel? Yes: her parents, her dog, and her grandmother. The same judges that gave her World Cup Championships the last two years. :

Traa might be best-looking according to Snowheads, but I say Aiko Uemura is much better looking...



Traa sans make-up...



and at 5'3"...gold medalist

Jennifer Heil
who missed the podium in 2002 by 1/100 of a point


post #29 of 32
I'm amazed they are able to ski at all in those oversized gunny sacks they call ski suits. I could probably fit in there with one of them Maybe even two...:
post #30 of 32
I also liked Traa's run better than Heil, but they were both very good.
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