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post #1 of 26
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Is there anything that I can get to prevent reinjuring my back?(belt? workout?) it's been very weak since teen yrs after a slip disk problem. It act up on me on and off if I don't sit right sleep right or over use it. doctor told me to avoid any work that require over use of my back but I iqnore him sometimes.....

Today it happened again when I fell I think I twisted it a little again and it completely put me out of business for the day. I not 100% sure if it a fell or I pull/twisted something(nerve) in my back when I try to balance myself after a landing. I was ok at the lift line and up to the top all was fine so I have no idea......BUT 1/2 way down my back just turn off like that and it all feel weak and VERY VERY tire( U older guys know the tiring pain feeling....when u try to over lift something u will feel something for an instant in ur back but all would be fine until like 5 mins later u can't even walk right

I struggle to get back to the base and back to the parking lot. I know it's nothing serious because I had this problem over and over and if I take a rest now it'll be all good tomorrow morning......just wondering if u guys have any tips so the next time around I won't be back so soon writing on this forum when it's finally snowing outside

Thanks
post #2 of 26
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Originally Posted by ctown
Is there anything that I can get to prevent reinjuring my back?(belt? workout?) it's been very weak since teen yrs after a slip disk problem. It act up on me on and off if I don't sit right sleep right or over use it. doctor told me to avoid any work that require over use of my back but I iqnore him sometimes.....

Today it happened again when I fell I think I twisted it a little again and it completely put me out of business for the day. I not 100% sure if it a fell or I pull/twisted something(nerve) in my back when I try to balance myself after a landing. I was ok at the lift line and up to the top all was fine so I have no idea......BUT 1/2 way down my back just turn off like that and it all feel weak and VERY VERY tire( U older guys know the tiring pain feeling....when u try to over lift something u will feel something for an instant in ur back but all would be fine until like 5 mins later u can't even walk right



I struggle to get back to the base and back to the parking lot. I know it's nothing serious because I had this problem over and over and if I take a rest now it'll be all good tomorrow morning......just wondering if u guys have any tips so the next time around I won't be back so soon writing on this forum when it's finally snowing outside

Thanks
Hi Ctown,

You may need more advice than I can provide.

I'm surprised your doctor gave a minimal response "Avoid any work...". Its a bit like saying "avoid breathing if at all possible".

Get a second opinion from a specialists. Modern procedures can solve some difficult problems. Also, if you don't get any regular exercise, and try to "Avoid any work...", your health and well being will atrophy.

Cheers,

Michael
post #3 of 26
went to PT and they had me work on all surrounding muscles to help back..have you been to a PT for the problem?
post #4 of 26
Thread Starter 
the last time I saw a doctor for my back problem was 10 years ago. I remember he did teach me some workouts.

I just had a 2 hour sleep laying down. at 1st when I get up and walk I feel better but back muscle tense up too quickly and that tiring pain is back...I even have problem walking properly...but if I take a deep breath I could actually work normal........man I have to say this one is one of the worst back pain I have so far. good thing it doesnt travel down my leg like it use to. It' just a tiring, slightl burning, cramp lumbness type pain

I really think I over used my back muscle and over stretched something. 2 weeks ago I was in a milder predicament after a long day of skiing(with jumping+turning) It was all fine until I got back home.......I actually waited until my back feel better and went back on the slopes but who knows today I would get it even worst.....

this is sad I know this would either end the season for me if the pain stay and I have to see a doctor when next week starts or atleast it would keep me from advancing (no more bumps jumps and spins)

O BTW my wife is VERY WORRY and giving me that I told u to not go skiing today look
post #5 of 26
I also have back problems and I am progressing towards a higher level of fitness.

I have been working with fitness experts and they are providing exercise programs that are getting results. My goal is to stay active in later life.

Becoming sedentary is very seriously detrimental in terms of health impact. I would suggest accepting any fitness routines or other prescription from a MD or PT.

Staying at home and avoiding activity is not the best solution.

Michael
post #6 of 26
I personally don't recommend the use of a belt during exercise as it can lead to more problems than it's worth to use.....

You may want to see a different doctor or as suggested, a specialist as actually working out your back & strengthening the muscles can help prevent back problems.....

Some back exercises to try if you're cleared to do so are: Hyperextensions, good mornings, straight legged deadlifts, reverse pec deck/flyes, all sorts of rows......(check with a dr. before doing any of these!)

Check into acupuncuture....I've had it & it really worked for me...
post #7 of 26
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Originally Posted by skidbump
went to PT and they had me work on all surrounding muscles to help back..have you been to a PT for the problem?
This is exactly the right treatment. Thank god some Physios are doing teh right thing here. I had several herniated discs in my late 20s (and osteo arthritis as a result).
I can lift any damn thing I want... but put me on a futon and I'm in agony (side sleeper). Just discovered that while here in the US. Now I have a normal mattress and the back is slowly returning to normal.

The muscle building regime was brutal but amazingly effective, and my Physio also taught me how to unlock/mobilise my vertebrae, using rolling and rocking and crunching, stretching, and nerve pressure points (lying on a tennis ball) to control my back.

One doctor was talking spinal fusion... thank heavans my Physio sailed in and prevented that. Physios can make such a huge, massive difference.
post #8 of 26
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I do work out and weight lift almost daily and I do alot of biking weekly(to work) so I have strong upper body and strong lower body...BUT I alway avoid working out my back(mid section) beside sit up ...... now I know.......call father(also do crazy things in the old days and also got back problem) and told him 1/2 the story. the old man know his stuff.......he was like " I know u tried to do something extreme that u're not suited to do again right...U twisted ur back or over worked it?'''.... can't hide anything from him......but good to hear from the family doctor(father) that it'll take at least a few day to not hurt
post #9 of 26
ctown, if you are getting numbness.... Go see a doctor and/or physio NOW. That is not muscles, that is the nerve. Do not delay, do not wait. this is the time to get help.

The sleep thing, I had forgotten that one. until coming ot the US and sleeping on a futon. Oh god. 2 months of horror! I ended up rolling up a towel under my above hip, and then a pillow. I had forgotten I had a back problem until then.

If you are getting tingling, or numbness, you must go get it checked out. Seriously.
post #10 of 26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ant
ctown, if you are getting numbness.... Go see a doctor and/or physio NOW. That is not muscles, that is the nerve. Do not delay, do not wait. this is the time to get help.

The sleep thing, I had forgotten that one. until coming ot the US and sleeping on a futon. Oh god. 2 months of horror! I ended up rolling up a towel under my above hip, and then a pillow. I had forgotten I had a back problem until then.

If you are getting tingling, or numbness, you must go get it checked out. Seriously.
Thanks Ant

I don't think I have those numbness and radiating tingling feeling down my leg....I used to have them when I have the slip disk problem....the disk dislocated and pressing on the nerve.........I just have major tiring tightness in my back. feels like all my back muscle in that one area all went on a vacation. I put on a back brace and it's getting better now. My father diagnosed it as back spasm over the phone and told me to stay away from skiing atleast 2 month even if I feel nothing next few weeks....my seasons over.............I do remember having a milder similar spasm week ago I think I reaggregated some muscle in that area today doing dumb stuff. upside about this is seeing my wifes concern-worrying face just so sweet thanks guys/gals I'll kee u updated on my misery

anyway should I use a back brace when I get back up?....

update:morning came lots of snow outside my back feel better pain is gone but still weak...dammit

it's 24" outside and I'm grounded(at home)
post #11 of 26
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to end this topic

saw the family doctor today(my father)last person I wanna see cause he warned me about over skiing........but it was sunday .........Father knows best

after check up

99% sure - Back spasm

Cause

1)Weight lift a night before (no enough time for muscle to recover)
2)not enough sleep the night before
3)did not eat right
4)Did not dress enough to keep the body warm enough
5)already having milder back problem lately
6)felt a tringe in the back while skiing
7)did not stretch or warm up
8)went right at the extreme stuff

anyway father still said no more skiing for 2 month......I'm already thinking about this coming sunday nea probably most of the pain is gone but I don't wanna be like yesterday

one cool thing tonight when I leave his place the last thing he told me was ....."the next time u going again wear a back brace atleast"---like he know I'm not gonna listen to his advised 2 month...........my great old man
post #12 of 26
Well, not to second guess the doc, but...here's what works for me.
1) "Stretching" by Anderson has some back stretches that work very well
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/093...lance&n=283155
2) Time with a good physical therapist was a big help. Continue with the exercises forever.
3) A chiropractor doesn't cure my back, but does put things back into position after the spasm pulls them out (subluxation). It does work for me, but the stretching and exercises keep them in position.
4) Skelaxin, a muscle relaxant, " Skelaxin (metaxalone) is a muscle relaxant. It works by blocking nerve impulses (or pain sensations) that are sent to your brain.
• Skelaxin is used, along with rest and physical therapy, to treat injuries and other painful muscular conditions." provides relief until I can get to a professional.
5) A very good exercise for the back and all the core is bicycle hill climbing standing out of the saddle. The works the quads, of course, but standing on the pedals works the small muscles in the core that provide stability.


Best of luck,
Ken
post #13 of 26
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An update

a week into the spasm. 60 percent of the pain is gone, no radiating pain down the legs or tinkling feelings which is good. My backs still feels weak though. I can go back on the slope if I want now but I know(or can feel) in this condition I could easily reinjure it before it could fully recover.. wife and parents are tracking me down like crazy worrying that I might sneak out to ski again this weekend.............but maybe next week My father still insist on the 2 month resting period and my wife still trying to hide my equipments
post #14 of 26
If you re-injure it, you could screw it up for 6 months or even forever.

Don't be an idiot.

The last thing you need to do is to ski with a weakened joint in your back, especially that you've got pre-existing problems. It's just the tip of the ice berg -- the injury has shown you just how screwed up your back really is.

It's an extreme problem that you should be treating it with extreme caution.

Don't risk it.
post #15 of 26
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Thanks

Yes the joints does feel really loose and thats what my father said exactly if I reinjure it being stupid. I know by next week I would feel like I could do everything again.....maybe I'll rest this weekend and next week and see if I can go back around early mid march

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Originally Posted by BigE
If you re-injure it, you could screw it up for 6 months or even forever.

Don't be an idiot.

The last thing you need to do is to ski with a weakened joint in your back, especially that you've got pre-existing problems. It's just the tip of the ice berg -- the injury has shown you just how screwed up your back really is.

It's an extreme problem that you should be treating it with extreme caution.

Don't risk it.
post #16 of 26
ctown,

In addition to everything else, try drinking more water.
post #17 of 26

back problem

ctown, my 2 cents worth: work out your abdominal muscles and your hamstrings. (Not the quads and the muscles surrounding your back.)
In the 80s I had to recover from a broken back - lots of pain and nerve problems. My Doc recommended a pretty rigorous rehab for my hamstrings and abs. Using my hamstrings and abs keeps me in balance on my skis. (I only have to use my quads when I am in the backseat, which I try to avoid like the plague.)

Best of luck,
Ursula
post #18 of 26
I also have serious back issues....See a back specialist/spinal surgean ASAP and get an MRI.
The whole month of Dec and into early Jan I was in SERIOUS back pain 24/7..did not sleep more than 2 hours a night, took 10 minutes to put on my shoes/socks and was pumping Ibuprophen like crazy to kill the pain. Pain killers did not even work as it was nerve pain. FINALLY saw a spinal guy/ had an MRI and found out I had a bulging disk--L4 and a seriously degenerated L5 disk to boot. Per his recommendation I recently went through a series of cortisone/steroid injections in the back over a span of 6 weeks. I am now 95% pain free and feeling GREAT...sleeping great and the best part...can ski uninhibited w/o ANY pain at all. (no more rock hard bumps however)
DO NOT WAIT!!
post #19 of 26
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Thanks guys I did went through the who ordeal of MRI and rehab way way back when I was a teen. This time around is just a spasm. I notice that for the past month all of the muscle in my body have a tendency to cramp so that could be a cause. Like my father said all I need is rest rest rest. After almost 2 weeks of resting I'm back to about 80% now. The hard decision is if should I go on the slop again this weekend and take it easy or just give it another week of rest. My back still feels very tender today but I can sit and get up, run and jump like normal but I can still feel it's not fully recover.......: what should I do
post #20 of 26
Don't forget to increase your potassium intake to help alleviate the spasms: Eat more bananas.

You need to get some exercise before you start beating it on the slopes again. How about some core workouts on a fitness ball? Can you do that?
post #21 of 26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigE
Don't forget to increase your potassium intake to help alleviate the spasms: Eat more bananas.

You need to get some exercise before you start beating it on the slopes again. How about some core workouts on a fitness ball? Can you do that?
Bananas I never thought about that I'll buy some tomorrow

as for the Fitness ball I do not have but what other exec can I do to prepare myself for next week. Anyway illustrate online with pics?

I have desided not to go this weekend and rest for another week not worth going on a windy day anyway and risking reinjuring it. I'm trying in one week for the whole month of march
post #22 of 26
buy a fitness ball they are not expensive
post #23 of 26
ctown,

I had problems with a herniated disk in my lower back 19 years ago and 2 more episodes, last one was about 7 years ago. Each time I was treated with PT. Since that time I have made sure to exercise regularly. I do squats, leg lifts, crunches, stretching, etc. and haven't had any problems. I also mountain bike 2-3 times a week most of the year and use lifecycles and elliptical machines in the winter.

Skiing actually makes my back feel better, You can tell your dad that, but I'm sure it won't change his mind.
post #24 of 26
ctown, how was it injured in the first place?
post #25 of 26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by onstar
ctown, how was it injured in the first place?
basketball landed on my ass bone. I never had any back problem before that after that my back was never the same.

anyway even today my father the doctor still insist "demand" "order" me not to go anymore this season. My wife don't care . Father was like it's just for fun you don't want to screw up your back again and not be able to get up and go to work. What he doesn't know or understand is that Skiing is more than just fun and play. It's the only time I can get everything out of my mind and relex. It's like those moment u would have when you were a kid steering up at the sky and not having anything to think or worry about
post #26 of 26
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OK an update and to end this

after 3 weeks of resting I went back today to do some light skiing. I had a back brace my father got me........it got 4 foot long metal rods inserted into the back area. After skiing for one whole day and falling 3 + time one on a pretty big jump my back have no problem at all. At the end of the day when I took them off here at home my back don't feel any stress or even tire. It difinately helped. I will be using them for a long time to come since I still attemp these crazy stuff.

The one injury I got........AGAIN today is pulling my neck muscle(I HOPE!) by fulling sideway and jerking my head to the side read fast when my body hit the floor. Now I get some muscle pain when I lift my hand and that arm feels very week.........nothing time+the body won't fix

Now I wonder do they have a neck brace that don't looks too crazy
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