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How often should I hot scrape the wax?

post #1 of 28
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Whe hot waxing, how often should I first hot scrape to clean out the base as opposed to just ironing in a standard layer of wax?

I'm new to the waxing game and have just been appying a coat of Zoom every few days but am wondering if there is any benefit to occassionally hot scraping the bases first.

thanks
post #2 of 28
I only hot scrape a brand new pair of skis as I am applying numerous coats of wax. Don't worry about that. You stand a good chance of damageing your base if you make a mistake.
Get yourself a good citrous based base cleaner instead. It will get in your base a bit and dissolve wax. Scrape the cleaner off then wipe it dry with a clean cloth. Make sure it is completely dried than go about your normal hot waxing technique. Drip wax, iron it in good at right temps. You do not want it to hot so you start burning your wax. Let it dry and harden for a couple of hours. Then scrape very very well. A good scrape is important. Then go over it with a green fiber pad to make sure the rest of any excess wax is removed from your bases. After that I use a cork to polish the bases a bit. Don't really need to do the cork part its just the way I work.
post #3 of 28
I only hot scrap in the spring if the bases are really dirty. To me the idea is to put wax in not remove it. I'll only use the cleaner if I need to drip in a little P-Tex.
post #4 of 28
Do not use base cleaner as it dries out the base its a real no-no at the World Cup level. Hot scrape whenever the base needs to be cleaned- especially in the spring.
post #5 of 28

Cleaning the base

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Whe hot waxing, how often should I first hot scrape to clean out the base as opposed to just ironing in a standard layer of wax? I'm new to the waxing game and have just been appying a coat of Zoom every few days but am wondering if there is any benefit to occassionally hot scraping the bases first.
Essentially you are cleaning them with your process. If you wish to wax for the purpose of cleaning I recommend the Zoom Graphite Base Renew in between your regular waxing with the Original Zoom or Graphite Zoom. That process will be based on how much time you have available but you will marvel at the softness of the deep penetrating Base Renew. Of course if you wish to visually see the dirt it does come in non graphite as well

Nothing more is necessary. Now with the speed racing skis they "hot box" them in an oven. Some ingenious shop even has a "speed ski leasing program" recognizing that the involved process of waxing with speed skis is beyond the ken of even most dedicated racers. Kind of a neat idea

Hope all has worked out with your tuning!

- Fossil
post #6 of 28
I personally hot scrape at least every other time I wax, with something like a base prep wax or a soft wax like CH10. I haven't used a base cleaner in quite a while. Hot scraping is a nice way to clean the base and prepare it for whatever wax you're going to lay down.
post #7 of 28
Squeak,
What is your goal? Just skis that ski well?...iron in an all purpose wax and either give it a quick scrape or just ski off the excess. Race wax job?...http://www.racewax.com/tunetips.html Something in between?...try different things and see what works best for you. For me?...just iron some in and ski it.


Ken
post #8 of 28
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Originally Posted by vail99
Do not use base cleaner as it dries out the base its a real no-no at the World Cup level. Hot scrape whenever the base needs to be cleaned- especially in the spring.
agreed. never use base cleaners.
post #9 of 28
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Originally Posted by faster than you
agreed. never use base cleaners.
Disagreed, use base cleaner, yeah they may dry out hte base but wax replenishes it anyways. I have been using base cleaner my whole life over 20 years of skiing and tuneing and my skis are always faster than my bro in laws. He uses his method I use mine. Don't get me wrong here either, I do not use cleaner every single time I wax. When it is needed only. Experience will let you know when that time comes.

See that is the great thing about America, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Please tell me who here is at the world cup level and is going to notice a difference. I am willing to bet Noone here is!

Agree?
post #10 of 28
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Disagreed, use base cleaner, yeah they may dry out hte base but wax replenishes it anyways. I have been using base cleaner my whole life over 20 years of skiing and tuneing and my skis are always faster than my bro in laws. He uses his method I use mine. Don't get me wrong here either, I do not use cleaner every single time I wax. When it is needed only. Experience will let you know when that time comes.

See that is the great thing about America, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Please tell me who here is at the world cup level and is going to notice a difference. I am willing to bet Noone here is!

Agree?
When is it needed? And how can you damage your ski hot-scraping them (you said that before)?

Seriously, base cleaners have their place unless you're racing, but once you start worrying about having a fast ski for the day, they become a non-option as they eliminate all the waxing that has been done to the ski beforehand. Sometimes, this can be good (the snow is at -20F and all the base layers are very soft wax), but most of the time it'll be detrimental, both in time spent (imagine having to saturate the ski over again!) and ski performance.

Also, hot-scraping, in racing, does not only serve as a way to clean the ski, but to also remove strcture fuzz and small base irregularities : the more you hot scrape, the smoother the base, the faster you'll be, period.

Also, this guy does advise to hot-scrape in order to clean base and he DOES work on the WC.
http://www.racestocksports.com/Text/...aintenance.pdf
post #11 of 28

If you hot wax....

There is no reason not to hot scrape. Every time*

It's all about the ritual.

You will be glad you did.


* Anyting but a hot wax is only a patch to allow accomodation for unexpected conditions.

Regards

CalG
post #12 of 28
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Originally Posted by huckingfellers
Disagreed, use base cleaner, yeah they may dry out hte base but wax replenishes it anyways. I have been using base cleaner my whole life over 20 years of skiing and tuneing and my skis are always faster than my bro in laws. He uses his method I use mine. Don't get me wrong here either, I do not use cleaner every single time I wax. When it is needed only. Experience will let you know when that time comes.

See that is the great thing about America, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Please tell me who here is at the world cup level and is going to notice a difference. I am willing to bet Noone here is!

Agree?
i'll agree with the opinion part.

being faster than your brother in law does not support the idea that base cleaners are good.
post #13 of 28
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Originally Posted by faster than you
i'll agree with the opinion part.

being faster than your brother in law does not support the idea that base cleaners are good.
I agree with the base cleaner has nothing to do with me being faster either. It is my experience in tuning(over 15years at least) compared to his (maybe 5).

But even cleaning the bases will have no real noticeable difference for recreational skiers than just hot waxing over hot waxing over hot waxing.

At the WC level the racers have no say over the tuning methods anyways it is strictly the servie techs call. I just do what I do and go have fun. That is all that matters to me. I pay more attention to the snow temps for the day I will be riding and the temp range of the wax I am applying than anything else. But I will hot scrape next few times and see if it really makes any difference. I am almost willing to bet my life that I will notice no difference from hot scrape to base cleaner. Really only need to worry about cleaning around spring conditions or crap snow conditions like melting and snowing melting ands snowing like here in the east this year.
post #14 of 28
Probably should hot wax/scrape every 250 meters or so.
Hard/aggressive snow maybe every 175 meters...
Powder? Hell, go 400-500 meters than rewax.
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post #15 of 28
I guess you all need to know "being faster then your bro in law" only matters if he's someone like Bodi Miller.

Or, only if he's after you because you screw over his sister.


Really just wax and go have fun. You will figure out what works for you. Don't over think this, there are other things to worry about.
post #16 of 28
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity
I guess you all need to know "being faster then your bor in law" only matters if he's someone like Bodi Miller.
What is a "bor in law" ? Is that something that has to do with the animal kingdom?
post #17 of 28
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Originally Posted by huckingfellers
What is a "bor in law" ? Is that something that has to do with the animal kingdom?

There, I fixed it. Don't you hate it when you spell something wrong ? I get from and form mixed up a lot too.
post #18 of 28
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity
There, I fixed it. Don't you hate it when you spell something wrong ? I get from and form mixed up a lot too.
LOL, go read some of my posts I look at the keyboard when I type. Then most of the time I am to lazy to go back and fix it

Just busting your stones
post #19 of 28
Always hot-wax-scrape as often as you can. It is the healthiest thing you can do for your base.

Ski manufacturers told me that this is preferred and base cleaners are not.

Willi Wiltz has waxed for more gold medals than anyone (in the USA at least) and he agrees.

.
post #20 of 28
Thanks for the links to racewax. I'll read more of it when I get time.
post #21 of 28

Look at the scrapped wax

When you hot scrape, the wax usually comes off as a glob of thin sheets. Just look at it - if it looks dirty then do another hot scrape. If its nice and white, just let it cool and finish scraping and polishing when its cold.
post #22 of 28
It's unconventional but I USUALLY don't even bother to scrape...this works for me and it's quicker:

Wax Smooth
Wire Brush
Cork & Go

I too am not trying to shave 1/100th of a second....don't race anymore
post #23 of 28
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Originally Posted by vail99
Do not use base cleaner as it dries out the base its a real no-no at the World Cup level. Hot scrape whenever the base needs to be cleaned- especially in the spring.
Yep. Solvent are a no-no for skis. Stay away from them if at all possible.
post #24 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
Whe hot waxing, how often should I first hot scrape to clean out the base as opposed to just ironing in a standard layer of wax?

I'm new to the waxing game and have just been appying a coat of Zoom every few days but am wondering if there is any benefit to occassionally hot scraping the bases first.

thanks
Better idea is to get some nasty hooker to pour hot wax on you every other day.
post #25 of 28

cleaning solvent

So, there are a lot of people for, and against the cleaning solvent. Therefore, although I bought some citrus based solvent, it's just been sitting quietly in the corner.

What else can I clean with it? It must be good for something..
post #26 of 28
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Originally Posted by Skicrazed
What else can I clean with it? It must be good for something..
Bike chains! It's almost that time of year again!
post #27 of 28
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Originally Posted by Skicrazed
So, there are a lot of people for, and against the cleaning solvent. Therefore, although I bought some citrus based solvent, it's just been sitting quietly in the corner.

What else can I clean with it? It must be good for something..
use it on any tools that are clogged or dirty with wax
post #28 of 28
Thanks, RaceWax!
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