Originally Posted by Yuki
skiingman has never been stuck on a lift for two hours when the wind has come up and started the chair swinging like a church tower bell.
Stuck on a lift for two hours?
Yup. Been there. I was annoyed they didn't evacuate us. I'm also not scared of riding a little sling down to the ground. Heights only scare me when I'm in an unsafe or precarious situation. Like bouldering above 15 feet, or standing on a roof I didn't personally nail the roofing onto...
|skiingman has never been on an icy seat when a thirty knot gust comes up from behind.
Sure as hell have. Takes a lot more than a thirty knot tailwind to unseat my hundred kilos...especially because AGAIN I note that a tailwind will cause the lift to become dynamically further reclining, making it harder for you to fall off.
Usually I get excited in those circumstances, because if the seat is icy I'm someplace like northern VT and if its blowing that hard up the hill, there's going to be that fun part where you get to stand till facing down the fall line.
|skiingman must live where the days are always sunny and without peril.
we should all be so lucky and blessed.
Bah, no luck or blessing about it. I got in the van and drove 2500 miles to get here.
: Not all days are without peril, but there sure are a lot of 'em that are!
Originally Posted by freeskinow
Many a person has fallen out when the lift stops. Some lifts move up and down after a stop. Stops can be abrupt. People do fall out. Most don't because the bar is down, as it should be with kids on the lift.
These things are reported on by every ski patrol I've ever seen, so the statistics should be available.
First off, the overall injury rate in skiing is 2.7 injuries per 1000 skier days, which makes it one of the safest recreational activities around for the mean skier. (http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/pageren...geindex=3#page
Next, a relatively recent study of snowboarders, who common sense would indicate are more likely to fall off a lift, indicates that the likelyhood of such incident is vanishingly
small. Snowboarders injure themselves more often than skiers (big surprise) at a rate between 4 and 16 injuries per 1000 days. Of 78 snowboard injuries that included a supplemental survey, only six
involved the lift at all. Of those six, six occurred during loading and unloading. http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/pageren...geindex=4#page
Actually, a search of a couple different databases of the literature has thus far turned up no information
on skiers and snowboarders actually falling from lifts. If this were a problem worth thinking about, or whining about as per Epic, someone would have written a paper on it by now. If you find that research I'd be glad to look at it.
You can find literature that investigates the handful of horrific lift disasters that have occurred over the years, where you will find surprisingly few fatal and life threatening injuries occur even when the worst happens and the entire chair falls from the cable.
Originally Posted by PaulR
Also...Many people treat lifts noncahalantly but a lot of accidents and injuries occur while Loading and unloading of lifts. Fractured my tibia while unloading back in 94 and my wrist back in 87. in 94
If skiing required liability insurance, no one would insure you. Two serious injuries while unloading in your career=vastly greater than the norm.
I think its absolutely hilarious how scared of life some of you are. I have no idea
how you get in your car in the morning, knowing auto travel is most likely to kill you until you get pretty darned old.
Regardless, even Dangerous PaulR here doesn't appear to have fallen off a lift. The only people who actually fall off perfectly functional chairlifts are drunks, kids and adults sleeping, and kids screwing around.
I've never seen a kid fall off a chairlift, but I've heard stories over the years. I've also heard of one drunk guy that fell off. Like most Urban Legend material (things people have irrational fears of) this kind of crap spreads far and wide. I have
seen dumb kids jump
off. I wonder how many accidental falls aren't so accidental.
Originally Posted by freeskinow
Are you saying that because you never fell off a lift, no one will ever fall off a lift or are you saying that you don't care?
I'm saying the chance of falling out of a lift is so vanishingly small that the added cost and injuries caused by
safety bars are highly unlikely to be worthwhile in any non-crazy-wombat sense.
Even more ridiculous are state laws mandating
a "safety device" that hasn't actually proved its value.
Helmet laws, seatbelt laws, federal airbag mandates, etc. all have vast quantities of good literature making it blaringly obvious that their inconvenience and cost is well worth it. Seatbelts save literally thousands of lives each year, with economic benefits running into the billions of dollars.
"Safety bars" on ski lifts have no such well-defined place in the world. If you'd like to suggest otherwise, try and avoid ad hominem and naughty language.