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What about the Canadians ... Eh?

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
In another post, folks were discussing some ESA coaches and there's also a post about the Italian demo team.

My question is what about the Canadians?

Here's a link to some video footage of CSIA skiers demonstrating the skiing runs for the various levels:
http://www.snowpro.com/photogallery/videogallery_e.html

There are several different runs in each of the four videos, so click next otherwise it just loops the same clip.

How does this compare to the Italian footage we saw in the other thread?

Enjoy
post #2 of 21
I can't say how it compares to the Italians, technically speaking, but I will say I like the skiing a lot in the level 3 and especially the level 4. Much more of what I'd go after... at least in my mind. Kool vid... thanks for sharing the link!

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post #3 of 21
Nice and same kudos to CSIA as to the Italians....

PMTS, PSIA others free visuals???

Italian demo team and CSIA are on the board!!!!!
I'll comment in more detail when I have time....

One thing I noticed tho in lv4 varied shape turns a lot of arm movement in the pole swing. My former ski school director would have hammered me if I had done that. Further I think the demos I saw(looked at lv3 and 4 only) were more pure demo and thus had less "style" than the Italians. Granted I am more familiar with the movements of CSIA as I was well schooled in ATS and Centerline PSIA. This presentation is very similar to my PSIA centerline video(Jerry Warren, Ellen Post Foster, Tim Petrick etc)

All in all tho this is exactly what I am looking for....thanks for sharing candude and pass my regards to CSIA for the free lessons
post #4 of 21
Thread Starter 
I've bookmarked the Italians site as well. It's nice to get an idea of what other countries and groups are promoting as the top-end skiing.

Didn't really notice the wild arm swinging you mentioned ... but I'm not allowed to criticize our "leaders" - just bow and keep skiing

The CSIA also sells vids/DVDs (as I hear PSIA does). I picked one up and it shows a bit more "fun-type" skiing as opposed to demos: powder, cornices, steeps, trees etc. And even a couple wipeouts. That was kinda fun.

Are there PSIA vids like this available anywhere?
post #5 of 21
not "wild" just dropped the hands at times, particularly the left one...the only thing I could find to criticize cause the skiing is obviously gorgeous...my ski school director had a thing about the hands. He said the pole plant was the trigger.....how can you pull the trigger if you're pointing the gun(your hands) at the ground...drop your hands, you're not ready....it was just his thing. This guy, he's obviously quite ready:

Thanks candude and CSIA...

BTW how much is the CSIA video and will they sell to a no longer active retired PSIA dude(me)? I am usually cheap but heck I bought all Lito's stuff and I like Canada.....
post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 
I hear what you're saying. The arms can do a lot to help or hinder a person's skiing ... I've heard people say the same thing about the trigger/gun.

CSIA video stuff: If you look on the menu on the left of the screen (on the CSIA site), there's a link to the online store. I think they sell to non-members since they give a non-member price:

The DVD I'm talking about is "Whitebalance" - I watch all the time. The other stuff from the CSIA is mostly techie stuff that we use for our certification courses and training ... there's also some CSCF stuff (coaching/racing).
post #7 of 21
Finally we see the type of skiing that we expect of top instructors. I would guess that most (if not all) the people in the videos are CSIA Level IV instructors. At the beginning of the season we get to see them almost every weekend at our local hill doing clinics & certifications.

What sets them appart is their ability to maintain form and very precise movements in any snow/terrain. I expect no less of PSIA Level IIIs.

BTW, to me these guys look better (more dynamic, comes to mind) than the Italian folks. In particular, I see lots of absorbtion/retraction, which I love to watch and regard as key to expert skiing. I wonder what PMTS people think of these skiers.
post #8 of 21
Thread Starter 
Yep, TomB, these are Level IV instructors (highest level in CSIA) and I would say many/most are Level III and Level IV Examiners as well.

I guess they want you to ski to the CSIA standard if they're going to put you on a video for others to model.

I would also add that they are not perfect all the time either, as they are constantly working with each other to improve, perfect, and develop their own technique as well as the CSIA technique, which is then passed on to the masses.
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by Candude
I hear what you're saying. The arms can do a lot to help or hinder a person's skiing ... I've heard people say the same thing about the trigger/gun.

CSIA video stuff: If you look on the menu on the left of the screen (on the CSIA site), there's a link to the online store. I think they sell to non-members since they give a non-member price:

The DVD I'm talking about is "Whitebalance" - I watch all the time. The other stuff from the CSIA is mostly techie stuff that we use for our certification courses and training ... there's also some CSCF stuff (coaching/racing).
$15 + $12 shipping I am all over it!!! Might get the tech dvd too....thanks CSIA. Between this CSIA link, www.amsao.it and purchasing that CSIA stuff I will be seriously good!

Got some free HH dvd's coming too....

Thanks again Nobody and Candude!!! I'll be able to put my old school Lito, ATS and Centerline videos back in the closet...for good!!
post #10 of 21
For the record, my (back in the early 80s) CSIA level II was far more difficult than my PSIA "Full" I failed the skiing twice in both. ....I understand that the psia level III is far more difficult than the old "full", however.
post #11 of 21
I dunno nothing...

I just know 1 of my instructors can beat their race pacesetter by a second......
post #12 of 21
only one?


we had the same situation in our old family school, back in the day. there were several instructors who could beat the pacesetters' times.
of course, i know some race coaches who can teach a much better lesson that any of the instructors at their respective resorts....
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by hrstrat57
I like the forward somersault/ACL ripper at the end of the Freeride video
post #14 of 21
Trust me UC I won't be emulating that particular move
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by hrstrat57
Trust me UC I won't be emulating that particular move
when I saw him set up for it, I assumed there was a dropoff that would give him room to land in a normal position. then I saw him do the exaggerated "extra long foot lever" that the Vermont Ski Safety info warns against... and both of my knees felt empathy for that loony somersaulting cat.
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by disski
I dunno nothing...

I just know 1 of my instructors can beat their race pacesetter by a second......
Good for him. Bode Miller can certainly do the same. Does that diminish the quality of skiing in those videos?

In other words, what do you think about the skiing?
post #17 of 21
I know good skiing when I see it and the canadians are great in the video. I particulary like the mogul chapter and espessially the last part with the guys skis vertical in front of the camera! I need to catch that same move on one of my own filmings. All skiing is as great as on the italian video. We are very fortunate to have free stuff like that on the www.

The only girpes I have is the way ski school videos all over the western world show demos of wedging at quite high speed. Is this just me or am I getting some sort of PMTS syndrome or something? Dont get me wrong here, Im not hammering the wedge, on the contrary, Im just wondering why it is demoed like that nowadays. It was even worse in the italian video. There they had aboslutely no hint of angulation which the canadians did have. If you want to look at proper wedging look at my wedge demo .
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by vlad
only one?

the others did not do CSIA 4....

so I cannot comment on whether they may or may not be able to do so.....
post #19 of 21
The videos don't play on my Mac under Firefox.
post #20 of 21
Hey! I just noticed that the PSIA has done an overhaul of their web site. Furthermore, there's now an Internet Learning Center. OK... It's empty so far, but it's there!
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by ssh
Hey! I just noticed that the PSIA has done an overhaul of their web site. Furthermore, there's now an Internet Learning Center. OK... It's empty so far, but it's there!
empty sounds about right.




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