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post #61 of 78
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Originally Posted by MilesB
But perhaps in the future the voting should more in the middle of the event, to accomodate those who can't make the whole event.
In light of Mile's comment, if there were two procedural/logistical things I could "rewind" and change about the PC gathering they'd be:

1) Create helmet stickers, armbands, pole ribbons, whatever - so attendees were more easily identifiable.

2) Schedule the "banquet" and "caucus" for Sunday night. There were a number of people who attended who came just for the weekend and then had to get back home ASAP. I suspect we lost between 5 and 10 people between Sunday and Monday nights. As it was, there were still about 15 people that made it.
post #62 of 78
Well this thread has been most entertaining. I wanted to go to the gathering this year, but my van started misbehaving in ways that made me feel like a long road trip was ill advised. Money was short due to my Volant addiction too, but I'm feeling pretty satisfied with the state of my quiver, and it may prevent excessive expenditures before N.Tahoe.

Still it's a stretch for me to go to any location outside of Montana, so I'll suggest that the whole thing comes here, so I dont have to travel or buy tickets. Hey, did you know you can rent the entire Gelandesprung Lodge at Snowbowl for $599 a night, max 38 occupancy.
post #63 of 78
Given some PMs, I'd like to make something clear: I am very disappointed that my initial plans to attend the Gathering this year were trumped by the vitally important need to be home for my daughters' spelling bee. I had planned initially on attending through the weekend. Last year I couldn't attend because it was too far from the ESA, but had planned on an extra day at Bridger (didn't turn out due to the snow issues).

I did not realize that so few ESA attendees attended the Gathering. I find that very interesting. And then my organizational/problem solving mind goes into overdrive and I start trying to understand why that might be and what (if anything) we should do about it. I have to think that it could make sense to offer a 2-3 extra-day event following the ESA for folks that would like to just stick around and ski. I think of it as a great opportunity to put to use the learning and actually anchor it. Given that the ESA is only 4 days, I think it makes sense to fill it out to a week with a Gathering at the end.

But, that's just me.

I'd like to make this as clear as I can: Next year's Gathering will be held in Lake Tahoe the week after the ESA. If I get the necessary windfall, I'll be there. Regardless, I'm sure all of those who join the Gathering will have a great time!
post #64 of 78
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Next year's Gathering will be held in Lake Tahoe the week after the ESA.
I didn't get that, Steve. What I read was
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North Lake Tahoe following ESA.
Am I correct in inferring that when exactly has not been determined yet?
post #65 of 78
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I think the assumption was that it would be close on the heels of ESA so that if anyone wanted to hop from one to the other it could still make sense. That said, it'd be interesting to see if a bit later made sense in light of the ongoing converstations here & on other threads.

Here's some info that might be useful in the broader dialog. Note that these are quick "legal pad doodling" type tallies.

Snowbasin Friday had north of 40 people. Not sure exactly how many. My best guess is that about 30% or more had ESA connections.

The rest of the gathering weekend had somewhere between 30 and 40 attendees on the weekend days and tapered down from there. My best guess is that ESA types accounted for 15-20% of participation on the weekend & pretty much fell off from there. There was, for all practical purposes, no general participation by ESA instructors over the course of the gathering.
post #66 of 78
Someone mentioned that AC would not have any excuses!.. Except you all forget that Epicski is a virtual world. AC's work takes him all over the world so holding the gathering in Tahoe does not guarantee a showing by AC. but It would be nice!!

Unfortunatly if it's the week after ESA at Aspen I will most likely not be able to make it. I plan to stay in Aspen for the week after ESA to ski with my friends and Family for our annual ski trip.

DC
post #67 of 78
I suspect that most of the coaches didn't know about the Gathering. I'd like to change that for next year, regardless of where and when it's held.
post #68 of 78
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There was, for all practical purposes, no general participation by ESA instructors over the course of the gathering.
That's because they have to get back to their home areas to work, guys. They're booked!
post #69 of 78
I was at Snowbasin day as well as Deer Valley on Saturday(attended ESA also). I was originally scheduled to be present for the whole thing, but work called.

I believe the one thing I would change as has been mentioned is an easier method of Identification. I met Ski3po at 8:15 at the appointed place at Deer Valley and we waited until 9:00 without seeing any other Bears. I wouldn't have recognized everyone, but there were at least 8-10 people I would have recognized that were at Snowbasin. We were also at the appointed place at lunch, but still saw no one. We finally saw SpyderJohn, Linds, and Frau around 12:30 down at the base and skied the remainder of the afternoon together.

I had a great time regardless, but it would have been fun to meet a few more people.

There's a good chance the wife and I will make Tahoe, but we'll almost certainly make a few more personal contacts prior to the event. As to the voting for a venue, I would prefer it be done here 6 or 8 months prior, but it's not a showstopper for me. I had given Frau license to vote for me at the banquet and since I suggested Summit County and Tahoe were fine with me, I can't complain.

I must say that on my 2 trips to Summit County this season, the hospitality of the local Bears has been nothing short of OVERWHELMING
post #70 of 78

Note to Colorado Fans...

You guys, there is absolutely nothing preventing you from organizing a grass-roots campaign to do a Colorado Gathering in Summit County next year. As SSH has already said, the "sanctioned" Gathering is simply the one that has been around the longest.

It sounds like Uncle Louie did exactly that last spring. I did one at the spur of the moment last spring by just announcing that my wife and I would be skiing at Snowbasin on the last weekend of the season. We ended up skiing with about 10 Bears.

I sincerely doubt if dchan or ssh or spindrift or anybody would mind at all if some of you just picked a date and announced that any EpicSkiers (plus friends/family, etc) who would like to join in would be welcome. You can do all the things that have been mentioned in this thread already like helping with lodging/lift tickets, etc.. It might very well turn out that of the 11,477 members Epic now has, more of them would prefer going to Summit County than Tahoe or anywhere else. I can't imagine that anyone at Epic HQ would mind that at all???

Who knows? An annual Summit County Gathering might turn out to be the most popular Epic event of all. It really doesn't take that much to organize one of these (and I do have a fairly good idea because I pretty much put together the JH one in 2004).

Just a thought.
post #71 of 78
b-i-n-g-o.
post #72 of 78
as far as ID'ing people

I vote for arm bands/ticket holders with our Logo or cloth patches brightly colored with some logo. For those of you with expensive technical gear: the arm band ticket holders make more sense so you don't have to poke holes in your waterproof breathable shells.
post #73 of 78
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters
You guys, there is absolutely nothing preventing you from organizing a grass-roots campaign to do a Colorado Gathering in Summit County next year. As SSH has already said, the "sanctioned" Gathering is simply the one that has been around the longest.

It sounds like Uncle Louie did exactly that last spring. I did one at the spur of the moment last spring by just announcing that my wife and I would be skiing at Snowbasin on the last weekend of the season. We ended up skiing with about 10 Bears.

I sincerely doubt if dchan or ssh or spindrift or anybody would mind at all if some of you just picked a date and announced that any EpicSkiers (plus friends/family, etc) who would like to join in would be welcome. You can do all the things that have been mentioned in this thread already like helping with lodging/lift tickets, etc.. It might very well turn out that of the 11,477 members Epic now has, more of them would prefer going to Summit County than Tahoe or anywhere else. I can't imagine that anyone at Epic HQ would mind that at all???

Who knows? An annual Summit County Gathering might turn out to be the most popular Epic event of all. It really doesn't take that much to organize one of these (and I do have a fairly good idea because I pretty much put together the JH one in 2004).

Just a thought.
edited to say that my comment about it not taking much to organize a Gathering is not meant to minimize in any way the hassles that Spindrift and others went through on the most recent one. There are always lots of little annoyances and it IS a major exercise in herding cats, but it really can be done more easily than, say, invading Iraq.
post #74 of 78
Thread Starter 
Cheaper too

to everything Bob said. If you look at my earlier posts, the use of the term "mini" was intended to capture much of what Bob said (although I think it might have failed ).

Also, whether for the "big G" Gathering or for more spontaneous events, it is worth contemplating incentives & disincentives. Lodging costs & availability. Food costs. Food options - such as veggie/vegan, basic vs fancy, and so on. Access. Range of skiing opportunities (green vs bowls...) - including how readily groups can reconverge. What kind of allowances to make for late arrivals (eg - a number of us usually hung at the meeting places in PC for up to 20 min past meet time -- and we still did not catch everyone!). IMO, because of the nature of the big annual gathering, these considerations play more of a role than they probably need to for more spontaneous gatherings. As Bob noted, nothing is a huge burden, but there are lots of little things that need to be done to make as many people as possible gung-ho for the event. And there is still plenty of room for improvement. Witness the ID & meetup discussions...
post #75 of 78
Hear-hear on identifiers and gatherings--one of the great advantages of epicski is the camaraderie. I see gatherings of any size to be a way to meet up with locals for the insider tour instead of the suffering the trial and error of being a tourist.
post #76 of 78
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Originally Posted by dchan
as far as ID'ing people

I vote for arm bands/ticket holders with our Logo or cloth patches brightly colored with some logo. For those of you with expensive technical gear: the arm band ticket holders make more sense so you don't have to poke holes in your waterproof breathable shells.
Get me back to the ER!!!: I just read this as "loin cloth patches!"
post #77 of 78
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Originally Posted by Lisamarie
I just read this as "loin cloth patches!"
!!!!!

No one would ever suffer a case of mistaken identity using those! I vote for leopard pattern!

Just don't make 'em pin on...

post #78 of 78
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Originally Posted by Lisamarie
How long would it take to drive from Aspen to Tahoe?
From what I've heard about the way you drive, about 12 days.
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