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post #61 of 77
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by TomB
The "intermediate rut" comment was just a joke.
Yeah... so was so-and-so's skiing.

Sorry, I had to throw one last mildly humerous comment in... I'm done now. I apologize. I got carried away. Now, I'm rambling. Okay. One last time; sorry for bringing us down.

Later

GREG
post #62 of 77
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier
Yeah... so was so-and-so's skiing.

Sorry, I had to throw one last mildly humerous comment in... I'm done now. I apologize. I got carried away. Now, I'm rambling. Okay. One last time; sorry for bringing us down.

Later

GREG
don't EVER apolgize for levity..
your posts rock
post #63 of 77
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Originally Posted by Lonnie
Yeah, it looks like I got my wish. I think I made a pretty strong case of why you couldn't nuke one and not the other...

L
Ding,
You are now free to move on to other commentary.

(With apologies to SouthWest)
post #64 of 77
Thread Starter 
BTW, no offense at all taken by the racer comments. I have proved here that some of them might be slightly true on occasion. But seriously, I do agree that some aren't as good as they think - many of those are good, but not as good as they think they are. Most adult or older racers are great skiers and very friendly on the mountain. Most of the racers I know are really great people to ski with and talk to on the mountain. The skills that you get racing are beyond what you get with most instruction, but you also learn a lot of respect for the sport because there is always someone better than you. No matter what, you can always find them. That I guess is the point of this thread. Most racers are pretty aware that there is always someone out there who will be better/faster at something. Some who ski recreationally get to the edge of being a competant skier and think they have "arrived" when in reality they are just beginning to tap into their potential. Unfortunately in this case it was taken out on good people who didn't deserve the comments that were made about them.
Later
GREG
post #65 of 77
As with most other pursuits, those that talk the biggest game most usually fall the farthest when given real competition. It's the big fish/little pond syndrome.

There's always someone better.
post #66 of 77
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Originally Posted by ssh
As with most other pursuits, those that talk the biggest game most usually fall the farthest when given real competition. It's the big fish/little pond syndrome.

There's always someone better.
like i say, the smaller the mountain, the more pins in the school
post #67 of 77

97 percenter

SCSA is back at it? Making friends by pissing in peoples boots?

He was a liar from the minute he strolled in here.

If HH wanted to honor him he should have made him the American PMTS "ambasador at large" in charge of spreading the gospel of the Harbidians at the ski slopes in Iran.
post #68 of 77
Vlad,

Maybe I should have gone into more detail in my "elitist" comment. I have absolutely no issue with what he did when they were on the hill, and I agree with his actions on the hill. I've had to do the same thing when teaching, as you pointed out. However, when he was inside eating lunch and admittedly not talking shop with the racers, there is no reason he couldn't have spent 2 minutes answering some simple question for the instructors. And what leads you to believe the instructors weren't full timers living hand-to-mouth as much as the racers? Maybe they were full timers making $12/hr, 6 hours a day and spending every last dime they had to ski somewhere else, and had a quick, simple question for one of the coaches? For all we know, their question might have been "who's the guy in the red shell?".

To be sure, I've ran into some very nice racers and coaches over the years. The ugliest ones I've encountered have been foreign teams at Copper and Breck for training in early season. Then again, I've also run into some incredibly nice foreign coaches.

Once you get to the local team level, it's a lot like little league baseball and kid's football. There are some good coaches who are good people, but there are also some good coaches who are just butt holes and think they are above everyone else because their team wins a lot.

As far as racers being geat all mountain skiers, I agree but attribute this to the fact that they are just very motivated people who love to ski. You're uncle Joe who works in a WV mine and skis 2-4 times a year and a 1 week trip out west isn't going to be as good a skier as your uncle Jim who is a Master's Racer, not because Joe got lessons from a run of the mill instructor and Jim got coaching from a USSA trained coach, but because Jim is a motivated skier who is dedicated to getting better.
post #69 of 77
Quote:
Originally Posted by vlad
like i say, the smaller the mountain, the more pins in the school
That's an interesing comment considering how many WC skiers have come from tiny little mid western ski areas.

Then again, your comment is probably not true anyway. How many pins are teaching at Squaw vs Wisp?

But it was a cute little put down to those of us who would rather feed our families and put a roof over their heads than eat power bars for dinner to prove ourselves to the people inside our computers.:

FYI, I did the starving ski instructor thing, working both day and night shifts 6 days a week for 5 years, then a couple of 120 day+ seasons out west, working two jobs to pay the bills.
post #70 of 77
[quote=JohnH]That's an interesing comment considering how many WC skiers have come from tiny little mid western ski areas.

Then again, your comment is probably not true anyway. How many pins are teaching at Squaw vs Wisp?

But it was a cute little put down to those of us who would rather feed our families and put a roof over their heads than eat power bars for dinner to prove ourselves to the people inside our computers.:

quote]

John- as I'm usually the first to point out, Ingemar Stenmark came from a scandinavian molehill. And it wasn't a put-down, by any means, and it IS true, in terms of proportion. that's wher emy posted verbiage ran weak. There are typically more pins per instructor at the smaller hills, but it's by no means a "put down" as you suggest.
the smaller the mountain, the more one needs technique to be a driving force in their skiing, as a small hill grows boring, quickly.
Yep- GREAT racers often come form tiny hills, as do GREAT instructors, and many pins.
you wanna take that as a 'put down', hey, that's on you.
I think it's cool, myself.
There's a miniscule little hill about 5 miles form my cottage, here, called Mt. Peter. dynamite little family place, and as PSIA a school as you can imagine. almost all pins, there.
They teach far and away better lessons there than one might find at any resort for 50 miles around (and there are many much larger resorts within that parameter).
as to the power bar thing, you wanna call it some way for me to impress people in my computer, hey, think as you like.
what I was trying to underscore is that there is precious little about pro racing that's elitist.
it's more like playing a season for the minors, but real cold.
john- first you label pro racers as 'elitist', then, when i point out the fact that many miss meals, you (attempt to) cut that point up.
which is, it, big guy?

c'mon. snow sports are fun.
post #71 of 77
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuki
SCSA is back at it? Making friends by pissing in peoples boots?

He was a liar from the minute he strolled in here.

If HH wanted to honor him he should have made him the American PMTS "ambasador at large" in charge of spreading the gospel of the Harbidians at the ski slopes in Iran.

no cartoons, please.......
post #72 of 77
[quote=JohnH]Vlad,

Maybe I should have gone into more detail in my "elitist" comment. I have absolutely no issue with what he did when they were on the hill, and I agree with his actions on the hill. I've had to do the same thing when teaching, as you pointed out. However, when he was inside eating lunch and admittedly not talking shop with the racers, there is no reason he couldn't have spent 2 minutes answering some simple question for the instructors. And what leads you to believe the instructors weren't full timers living hand-to-mouth as much as the racers? Maybe they were full timers making $12/hr, 6 hours a day and spending every last dime they had to ski somewhere else, and had a quick, simple question for one of the coaches? For all we know, their question might have been "who's the guy in the red shell?".
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errr, no , john, nice try, but (I'm not gonna drop names) neither was a working instructor, both were in hiking shoes and psia fleeces, and wearing very high-up psia insignia.
maybe it's my bad for NOT pointing out that these guys were NOT instructors.
they were nice enough guys, but pushy.
VERY pushy.
you like people bothering you during your lunch break?
and I don't mean at your instructing job, where we're all expected to be ambassadors of the mountain. This is 8-6 all day hard labour. Our team was a private venture, and we were all always sweaty and wiped by lunchtime.
the elite guys (I mean literally elite-level racers) were fine with signing boards during lunch, no bigs. but two guys coming around demanding intellectual property for their own group's use, that's just bad form.
didn't I tell you that 'hill' talk was pretty much verbotten, then, so we could all unwind and recharge? having some clowns with tape recorders and clipboards disturbing our lunch break made me understand why some actors hit paparazzi.

post #73 of 77
Lonnie,
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Bummer about your post Lonnie... do you still have forum access there? Usually they ban you and then talk crap about you where you can't defend yourself... reminds me of single party rule.
You might br interested to know Rick and I were the cause of one of HH's rants late October, early Nov. I had no idea HH was a nut before that, nor did I have any idea my posts would provoke him. Welcome to the "ranted on" club.

RW
post #74 of 77
all y'all gotta chill the f*** out and rediscover the resolute joy of skiing...

the air's great out here, c'mon out
let the hubris evaporate and, (in the words of one of my favourite PSIA clinicians of all time....of course, he was a swiss native):

"LOVE your students"




love your fellow ski instructor, as well. there's nothing on this board which warrants personal offense.
If some yahoo is pushing his 'new system', what do you care? if you can glean something good, great! if not, who cares?
it's only skiing, ladies.
at ease
post #75 of 77
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuki
SCSA is back at it? Making friends by pissing in peoples boots?

He was a liar from the minute he strolled in here.

If HH wanted to honor him he should have made him the American PMTS "ambasador at large" in charge of spreading the gospel of the Harbidians at the ski slopes in Iran.
Actually HH has chomped on SCSA/Heyoki a bit over the "incident" at Deer Valley and in general. SCSA is not considered an ambassador of PMTS by any stretch - even HH said he still doesn't have all the skills down yet the way he teaches them.
post #76 of 77
Just as a point of clarification, the mods nuked my original post, since it was worded a "bit strongly." The mods pulled the whole thread after I pointed out that Heyoki had basically done the same thing with his post(s) and I called them on it. I don't think HH flamed or ranted on me at all....

L
post #77 of 77
Quote:
Originally Posted by vlad
John- as I'm usually the first to point out, Ingemar Stenmark came from a scandinavian molehill. And it wasn't a put-down, by any means, and it IS true, in terms of proportion. that's wher emy posted verbiage ran weak. There are typically more pins per instructor at the smaller hills, but it's by no means a "put down" as you suggest.
the smaller the mountain, the more one needs technique to be a driving force in their skiing, as a small hill grows boring, quickly.
Yep- GREAT racers often come form tiny hills, as do GREAT instructors, and many pins.
you wanna take that as a 'put down', hey, that's on you.
I think it's cool, myself.
There's a miniscule little hill about 5 miles form my cottage, here, called Mt. Peter. dynamite little family place, and as PSIA a school as you can imagine. almost all pins, there.
They teach far and away better lessons there than one might find at any resort for 50 miles around (and there are many much larger resorts within that parameter).
as to the power bar thing, you wanna call it some way for me to impress people in my computer, hey, think as you like.
what I was trying to underscore is that there is precious little about pro racing that's elitist.
it's more like playing a season for the minors, but real cold.
john- first you label pro racers as 'elitist', then, when i point out the fact that many miss meals, you (attempt to) cut that point up.
which is, it, big guy?

c'mon. snow sports are fun.
Vlad,

Don't take me too seriously either. I read your post wrong. I apologize for that. I thought you were being sarcastic and putting down instructors as mearly seeking pins. I understand what you are saying now. Also, if you read all of my post, I'm not labeling all pro racers as elitest. I'm labeling that one guy as an elitest racer, of which there are many. But I also indicated I've met some nice racers and coaches along with some bad ones. All I said (which started this whole thing) was that I don't like elitest racers. Maybe I just should have said I don't like elitests, and some of these racers are elitests. I just thought he was rude to the instructors and you defended his rudness and called the instructors some sort of name which I forget.
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