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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Im going to buy a pair of Stockli SL's this winter but Im not really sure which bindings to use, or if the skis accept only one companies bindings. Does anyone know what would be best for Stocklis? Also, it seems alot of stocklis have VIST plates. Are they basically just riser plates? Ive only heard and seen them, but I have no idea their purpose other than to raise the skier. Would it be worth the investment in getting one as well? Im looking to get basically THE best ski setup on the mountain. Thanks
post #2 of 12
FWIW, many of Stockli's World Cup athletes use Atomic bindings. I don't believe that Stockli has any affilitaion with any one binding manufacturer, so I assume any will work.
post #3 of 12
As mentioned before the VIST plate is very similar to a Deflex plate. Since they make the ski more stable at GS speeds they would pretty much just make the slalom more challenging to flex. The one with a whole bunch of holes in it would be the easiest of the bunch but it would still be better used on a GS ski. If you are looking for lift to prevent boot out you should look to a different type of plate - one that promotes flex in the ski would be suggested from a performance perspective (unless you are a WC racer).

I have never mounted VIST plates but I have mounted Deflex plates. They are a royal PITA to mount to the ski and to mount a binding to. If your local ski shop will work with them they will probably charge you richly for the service.

I'm not sure what flex promoting plates are on the market today but the Salomon SL Race plate is one I like - it does marry you to Salomon bindings. The other ones I liked are no longer in production.

As far as bindings go Stocklis are flat skis that any DIN binding designed to be drilled into any flat ski may be mounted to. The choice of a VIST plate will not change that. Other plates may or may not narrow your choice of bindings.

post #4 of 12
The SL is a great fun ski as long as you have solid technique and are centered.
post #5 of 12

Be sure to ask how the ski is tuned or set up. Turn initiation or a ski being grabby may simply be a result of a particular side/base bevel.

It's great to seek a "different" ski, however, a ski may be popular for a very good reason.
post #6 of 12
VIST plates are more than just a deflex plate. The plate you are all referring to is their 12 or 24 hole stinflex plate. Which is a deflex plate with holes drilled into the aluminum to allow for some natural but dampened flex... designed for super-g and downhill. The VIST plates that you find on Rossignol, Elan, Atomic, and Stockli are a totally different design. they are called the World Cup Race V10, V13, and V16. These are aluminum plates, each with a different height 10mm, 13mm, and 16mm. The hole pattern is similar to a fischer plate but the plate works off a different concept. It has three sliding layers of a flexible polymer and a flexible V joint in the center of the plate between the two thin sheets of aluminum (primarily there for mounting safety). The thicker the plate you mount - the stiffer it is... they are not designed to add height. If you only weight 150lbs and are using the plate on a slalom ski you dont need the 16mm adapter. Rather VIST will provide you with lifters to mount on top of the plate under you bindings to raise you to the height that you desire. They recommend the V13Alu for SL and the V16Alu for GS. The V10 is designed for younger athletes that cannot exceed 50mm of height, as well as lighter racers.

Personally i dont think that i would ever try to ski on the V16Alu because i just dont weigh enough. If youre looking for lift you can add risers to the top of the plate very easily. If you are just free skiing i would go with the V10 or the V13. If you decide on the V10 make sure that it is long enough to mount you binding/boot size to. Also the plate requires some very serious mounting so make sure your technician has done them before. They have several types of glue that are required in certain places or the plate will be on your ski totally wrong - the glue in part of the plate design, allowing the plate to slide more or less in certain areas of the ski. Whatever you do - DO NOT buy a stinflex, unless you are doing some serious racing in speed events.

Last season Elan marketed the 13mm plate with their SLX T. One person on this forum said that he cut the center out of his VIST plates on his Elan SLXT. This took out the joint and some of the aluminum in the plate - making it very much like a metal version of a Fischer plate. He claimed that this made the ski flex a lot more and made it very user friendly to ski on. I myself have never used a VIST but many of my friends who are racers love them. They are very popular on race stock skis because they allow for such a smooth ride. They do require a little extra work because of the aluminum in them - but you will find this is true with any lifter of substancial height.

And last but not least, the VIST website, where a good portion of the above information was taken from: www.vist.it On the right side of the page there is a "Welcome" link which takes you to the english page, and from there you can navigate to products and chose your weapon. Each plate is described by how it is constructed and what it is used for as well as all of its stats i believe. If you do not wish to use the race plate on your stocklis - which would be foolish - but if you do not wish to use it; VIST also makes a huge line of carving plates, which are designed to allow for more flex and leverage - but less performance than the race plate. Those are all available at the site. I think that in total, VIST markets 20 or so different plates, from free riding to carving to GS, SL, SG, and DH. Their popular carving plates you will recognize as atomic race and carving plates that are on all atomic skis (i think anyways). VIST carries no binding allegiance, in order to appeal to racers who want to use a specific binding on their skis - even with their 'atomic like' plates.

Hope this helps - i know it is very long but i thought i would clear up some misinformation about the company.


post #7 of 12

Thanks for the long post. I have only been aware of the VIST Stinflex plates in the past. The full line of VIST plates looks phenomenal and as though they have a plate for every purpose.

Thanks again,
post #8 of 12
If you want to be the only person on the mountain to be using actual world cup race skis Stockli are a good start. However the question has to be asked - do you really want to use genuine race skis? They are very demanding and will severely punish any lapse of concentration or technique. And don't even think of going off piste or into moguls, these skis have a one track mind and that track is to do short turns on ice with unbelievable speed and power. If you want to do anything other than short turns on ice they will punish you.

The VIST plates are full bore race plates like the Salomon Deflex. Again, they are there for dampening at GS race speeds but will do nothing for short turns on slalom skis.

Again, demo or be VERY sure you want these skis. They are a highly specialised ski and I wouldn't recommend them for anyone except world cup racers.
post #9 of 12
Two entirely mistaken responses before someone got it right. Not bad.


VIST plates rock as long as you have the one that's right for you.

And Deflexes are not that hard to mount, putting the plate on the ski is simple, and drilling the metal is no worse than any pair of Volants -- it might ruin a drill bit but that's about it. If a shop wants to charge you more than $10 extra to mount a Deflex take your business elsewhere, if you can.
post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the info and advice on these plates. Heluva, why do you advice against the stinflex? I was all set on getting the 12 screw stinflex, but you say dont get it unless I would be doing some hard core racing. Ill just be carving around the mountain all day, so I dont want a plate that is too much. Is it? Maybe the V10 would be better. Im 160lbs 5'10 expert level 10 skier if that helps. Lastly, would these plates truly make much of a difference anyways? The Stockli rep kept hyping them, but all I know is from him. Whats your opinions?
post #11 of 12
Yeah on an SL ski the stinfle is not going to be fun. Its like putting a salomon deflex plate one your slalom skis. the idea behind the deflex type plates is to create a dead spot in the ski where it cant bend as easily, therefore making the skier feel like they are on rails in very long turns. The idea behind new slalom skis is to have the entire ski flex. The two concepts contradict each other entirely, which is why i suggest one of the GS or SL plates for your slalom skis. If you want a really flexible plate, try the top of the line carving model. That plate like i mentioned before is very similar to the atomic race charger i think, which comes in a 13mm and 16mm option as well. If you are going to use the carving plate then i would suggest that you go as high as you can - the 16mm plate would be fine in this case because the carving line lacks the thick aluminum that the race line does. If the V10 will fit you boot sole length on it with the bindings then i would try that plate. If you cant get one long enough then try the V13. If the 13mm height scares you away (meaning its too stiff) then i would move to the carve line and try their top of the line carving plate. By doing this you would still be getting a race caliber plate (Atomic charger) but it is built for more user friendly needs - meaning you dont have to be skiing all out to get the plate to bend and rebound for you.

It sounds like your rep is slightly mis-informed - or is a powerful excellent skier. I dont know too many people that would enjoy skiing even a 24 hole stinflex - especially on a slalom ski. Talk to him and tell him you looked at the rest of the line and tell him what youre looking at so he gets an idea what youre looking for. The GS and SL plates are very popular so i dont see why he isnt trying to push those on you. My Elan rep reccommended the VIST V13Alu for my SLX T so i would imagine the same setup would do just fine for you.


post #12 of 12
I looked up each Stockli athlete on the FIS site and verified that each is on Atomic bindings. At WC DIN settings though, I don't know if it matters.
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