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2006-07 Gotama - Page 3

post #61 of 74
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Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
What's your height/weight, bushwackPA?
weight (during ski season) between 160-170 , 5'10 was my height but I am growing again and now 6 foot tall.
post #62 of 74
pulled the trigger on some 183's. hope they're not too short.
post #63 of 74
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Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
pulled the trigger on some 183's. hope they're not too short.
you ll be happy. It enough ski for chris anthony it should be enough for you
post #64 of 74
Chris Anthony is a little girl (I'm not sure who that is, but I bet they're a little girl).

I decided to go with the 183's because I think I may use them alot more than just pow days. And I have a line on some 193 supercharger blowers.

BWPA, you'll have to come north and ski with me a bit this season.
post #65 of 74
Thread Starter 
ZZZ,

I'm on the 183 also, and will be moving in between that and a 184 Mantra as my everyday ski. FYI, I'm 5'8", 184 lbs. I also did waffle between the 183 and 190, but in the end, the 183 is a better everyday ski for me.

HB
post #66 of 74
Harkin, I had a pair of explosivs in 180 cm for 8 years. bought 177 mantras in 2005. (57rs. 158lbs. level 8-9 skier.)Was not able to ski too much as sprained a knee in Feb. Are you of the same opionon as me that the explosiv was much more stable in heavy wet NW snow? The mantra, while a deam in dryer snow, and ton the groom,felt not as stable as the explosiv's in rough condtions. Am I correct to assume thats because it has more sidecut? Thanks for any imput.
post #67 of 74
Thinking bout pulling the trigger on some 177 07' Mantras. Volkl's site says they are slightly sitffened over last year's model, should I worry much about that? What advantages would stiffening it give you (pardon me, I'm ski tech retarded; quick learner though ) Volkl's site also interestingly ranks the Mantra as more of a 'Mostly Powder' ski than the Gotama, on the ski finder chart they have, I find that odd since the Gotama is bigger under foot.
post #68 of 74
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Originally Posted by bobboing View Post
Harkin, I had a pair of explosivs in 180 cm for 8 years. bought 177 mantras in 2005. (57rs. 158lbs. level 8-9 skier.)Was not able to ski too much as sprained a knee in Feb. Are you of the same opionon as me that the explosiv was much more stable in heavy wet NW snow? The mantra, while a deam in dryer snow, and ton the groom,felt not as stable as the explosiv's in rough condtions. Am I correct to assume thats because it has more sidecut? Thanks for any imput.
I agree that the Explosiv is better in heavy crud/junk snow, but I believe that the stiffness comes from the tightness of the fiberglass weave and the amount of epoxy embedded into the fiberglass and wood.

Volkl has made the Mantra "kinder, gentler" than the Explosiv, which in turn appeals to a wider skier demographic, which in turn allows Volkl to sell more skis.

Troutman and Squaretail can shed more light on where stiffness in skis comes from.
post #69 of 74
I love getting called out...thanks, Harkin

The most important component that affects stiffness is the fiberglass. Fiberglass is very stiff, hence why boat hulls are made out of it. Also, glass can be manipulated in many ways to get a particular flex characteristic for a certain model.

After the glass, the wood core and the epoxy that holds it all together contribute to stiffness to some degree.

One thing does go against conventional wisdom - metal usually isn't used for stiffness. Titanal belts are very flexible. It's primary function is vibration absorption and grip.
post #70 of 74
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Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
I decided to go with the 183's because I think I may use them alot more than just pow days. And I have a line on some 193 supercharger blowers.
What bindings are you going to mount on the Blowers? I have the 185's coming and am keeping an eye out for some FKS' or P18 wides.
post #71 of 74
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Originally Posted by VASKI244 View Post
What bindings are you going to mount on the Blowers? I have the 185's coming and am keeping an eye out for some FKS' or P18 wides.
Probably a salomon 997 din to 14, those things are bomber and cheap. I'll openly admit I'm not man enough for p18's.
post #72 of 74

Volkl Gatama's 190 & 197

Say it isn’t so!!! I would kill to have the 197 Gotama! I am so bummed they pulled that length!!! If anyone happens to some how come across a pair, I"LL PAY TOP DOLLAR FOR SOME!!!! As for the 183 vs. 190 length debate for the Gotama, I have a pair of the 2004/2005 black with Buddha graphics 190 Gotama's. I probably ski this ski more than my others and I have a pretty decent quiver (AK Rocket Swallowtail, 1080Gun Lab, and Volkl Karma & Gotama) For the most part, they are my “go to” ski. Unless anyone plans on skiing in really tight trees & tight chutes and spots all the time, go the 190cm. The difference in stability at speed, ripping through crud & floatation in powder is very apparent. This is especially so with the new Gotama's that have more sidecut. Just a little pressure and they will turn! I think the Gotama is one of the best powder skis out there and is probably the ultimate resort powder ski. I mounted a Salomon 914 binding with the plus plate and the little bit of extra lift makes them really easy to crank out quick turns when you need to. I am 5'11" weigh 200lbs with gear and can't say enough how glad I am that I went with the longer length. Advanced to expert skiers should definitely go longer. If you are planning on skiing more on piste then look at a 185 Mantra. Or, another killer option would be the 185 Volkl Karma, the highest rated ski for all mountain versatility in its category for two years running. I have last years Karma in a 185 and this is an excellent all mountain ski and very fun in just about anything. For what it’s worth, my take on the 183 vs. 190 Gotama debate: Unless you are 5'7" & weigh 150 lbs, go with a 190 length and use it where it was more meant to be in off piste adventures.
post #73 of 74
The real question is whether the 07 Goats were designed with the 197 included in the parameters. If they were, and then the 197 was pulled from lack of dealer interest, the 183 is in the middle of the length range, not 3/4 of the way up. So what? The mid-range ski will flex optimally for a mid-sized skier. Say 160-170 lbs, if you average in some females who overlap with males. OTOH, if it's the 3rd length out of 4, it's designed to be bent by a male who's 180-190. Quite a difference.

My hunch is that the flexes were set up with the 197, and then it was pulled from production. Which may explain why many have noted that the 183 feels soft or easy to turn, compared to their expectations.
post #74 of 74
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
True....but could there be a demand that the dealers don't recognize yet? Wouldn't Vokl have performed some sort of market research before going through the trouble of prototyping, testing, re-prototyping, retesting, etc. and going so far as to include it in their dealer catalogue if they hadn't done their homework?

Being involved with a small, niche ski manufacturer I get emails all the time asking for a longer fat ski. Are these from uber-athletes? Maybe & maybe not. But most of them do describe themselves as bigger, heavier skiers wanting something a bit longer than the typical 190 - 193. I probably get the same amount of email asking for these longer lengths as I do from lighter weight skiers looking for shorter lengths.
I can see where there is an issue from a business standpoint, it's a bit like racing skis, there are not very many shops that routinely stock these. Unfortunately as a larger volume manufacturer you have to be responsible to your channels. If the channel is not willing to stock a certain length because they think they are going to end up sitting on it this is probably based on experience. Channel stuffing won't work for specialty items.

I think the way around this is for the manufacturers to develop different channels for specialized skis. This already works pretty well for race stock skis which fairly often end up being distributed directly from reps to teams. With the internet, you would think that specialist skis could be sold direct to the consumer in the longer lengths and that the manufacturers could still earn enough to make these interesting to produce. But until customers start contacting Volkl directly and pushing for this, you probably won't see a lot of movement.

I notice that Fischer has gone to direct marketing via its US website, most of their skis can be ordered directly. Perhaps if enough people get behind this or otherwise indicate support to manufacturers like Volkl we will eventually see 197 cm Gotamas.

In the interim this will create opportunities for smaller manufacturers who are able to be more flexible about things and produce specialty products, kind of like the microbreweries vs. the House of Bud.
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