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Desperate for Good Boot-Fitting Advice!!!

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Hi all,
Sounds like everyone here really knows their gear! I'm desperate for some good boot-fitting advice! I’m a solid Type II skier: aggressive, push myself, and ski with a lot of control. I’m new to the black diamond bumps, but love them!!! And I’m learning to get out of the backseat in my boots.

Here’s my problem: I live in a Midwest city without any ski shops, and every time I run to the front range for a weekend, I spend my time suffering through yet another horrible boot fit. The fit is guaranteed, but I’m not having any luck.

Here’s what’s going on: I wear an 8-8.5 women’s shoe. I had a footbed made for my boots, which helps with my pronation. I bought boots that have a 1.5-2 finger space behind the heal when my toes touch the front of the boot. I’ve tried 3 pairs of boots in 3 weekends, with no luck! Details below. I would really appreciate some good advice!

• I tried a Nordica Beast 10, size 24.5. Very short on one foot (like most people, one foot is slightly bigger than the other). Toes on this foot curled when standing straight (waiting for lift, etc.), so we bumped out the shell and liner for the big toe. These boots bruised my right shin (too little flex?? too small in the cuff??) and my toes on both feet felt crunched, numb, and in pain after a few runs. Overall, painful boots.
• Then I tried a Salamon Irony 8, size 24.5. These boots grabbed my heal (which was great), but the area around my feet was sloppy. My feet slid back-and-forth between the heal and toe when skiing the bumps. They also felt a bit wide side-to-side and roomy between the sole and the tongue (up-and-down). I micro-adjusted like crazy and clamped down the second and third buckles to keep my heal in the back of the boot and keep my foot from sliding back-and-forth from heal to toe. I ended up tightening up all four buckles, which made the entire boot painful and eliminated any flex, plus I still had some play in the foot area!!!
• Then I tried a Technica Diablo Spark, size 24. It felt good and snug in the shop; but after only two runs, I had the same problem that I had with the Salamon. My foot was sliding from heal to toe and the boot was roomy around the width of my foot from instep to toe.

Has anyone else experienced this type of fit dilemma? Are there any good boot fitters out there who think I need a low-volume boot or who recommend a specific boot make/style? Or is it just a matter of needing a few specific boot pads or adjustments? Please help!!! :

Signed,
Desperate for a good fit and a smooth run!
post #2 of 12
you should be seeking a snug fit. toes that are pressured somewhat while standing straight up, but not presured at all (even if touching) when in the skier's basic stance, is what you are looking for.

try to pay no attention to the size number of the boot that will give such a fit. don't get caught up in comparing boot size to street shoe size. that's often an irrelevancy perpetuated by folks who don't do good bootfitting. the bootfitter who knows what ski boot will work based only on your street shoe size is, I think, a fantasy.

what matters more is the way your foot relates to the boot's shell.

if you go for 2 fingers behind the heel, your boots will be too large after they get some ski days on them. this will require you to overtighten the buckles, which deforms the boot shell somewhat, generally altering the fit and increasing the chance of pressure points that lead to numbness, cold feet, and pain.

check the EpicSki list of bootfitters. and next time, try the Search function. this is an old old old question. luckily, I'm bored today because my truck is in repair shop so I couldn't go ski.
post #3 of 12
Hi, Powder Girl. I can give you a little advice, because I've tried these boots on in my quest for a new boot. My Salomon Ellipses, which I really like a lot, have packed out and I need to downsize. I have the same shoe size as you, and I've been trying 24 and even 23.5 on. I suspect that the Nordica Beasts are too stiff, they killed my shins. I love Salomons, but the Irony series won't give you as snug a fit as some others - they're more a comfort boot and a little wide. However, the 24 will have a narrower lining than the 24.5 (or so I've been told) so you could try 1/2 size smaller - shell length is the same. The boot that gave me a nice snug fit was the Salomon Rush series, the women's version of the X wave. The Rush 8s seemed to be good for me, I was told that the 9s were quite a bit stiffer and you said you like bumps. These can be heated to fit your foot so you don't have as painful a process of breaking them in. This year's Rush series has the spaceframe shell of the mens' Xwave, which I think I like, last year's ladies' Xwaves did not. Tecnicas are another boot that are good for a wider foot, not narrow. A GOOD bootfitter will be able to make better recommendations by looking at your foot shape. Good luck.
post #4 of 12
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Originally Posted by uncle crud

check the EpicSki list of bootfitters. and next time, try the Search function. this is an old old old question. luckily, I'm bored today because my truck is in repair shop so I couldn't go ski.
Well know wonder your in a grouchy mood today
post #5 of 12
Sounds like the Nordica's fit you best. You probably needed a few more visits to the boot fitter to dial them in to the right "tune". The shin bang could have been due to the cuffs being a little too stiff or maybe you didn't have the cuff buckles tight enough. In any case they might have been modified to prevent this.

I have found that well fitting boots require a lot of patience and work with a good fitter.
post #6 of 12
Thread Starter 
MGM, Thanks for all the helpful advice! It sounds like we have similar fit needs. 2 Quick Questions: 1) Are the Salamon Rush considered a narrow fit? I was told that Salamon's are a wider make, in general. 2) Have you ever tried Langs? I heard these area good fit for a narrow foot or heal.
post #7 of 12
did you buy all these boots?

my first reaction is that a 1.5 to 2 finger shell fit is way too big. in addition, it may well be that once you find the right shell you may have to try an aftermarket liner.

i guess i would like you to try and find a nordica doberman 100 or 110 pro.

the bruised shin makes me ponder technique. are you levered on the front of your boots in bumps?
post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by powder girl
MGM, Thanks for all the helpful advice! It sounds like we have similar fit needs. 2 Quick Questions: 1) Are the Salamon Rush considered a narrow fit? I was told that Salamon's are a wider make, in general. 2) Have you ever tried Langs? I heard these area good fit for a narrow foot or heal.
I've got a very narrow heal/back foot, and pronate heavily to boot (pun, intended). Some of the Rossi's and Lange's in my experience do run on the narrow side -- i'm a guy, so not sure if the same holds for their women's boots. I've heard that the Solly X-10 Wave Free boot also runs narrow/snug also the Fischer MX Pro as well (if you can find it).

You might also post some questions in the consumer gear column, in Jeff Bergeron's advice thread. He's really helpful (he's a bootfitter in Colo); just be sure to read his instructions about how to post your questions.

david
post #9 of 12
lange are narrower then salomon, but the wave/rush is the narrowest of most of the salomons

lange are lower instep, narrower, and tighter heel
post #10 of 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by powder girl
MGM, Thanks for all the helpful advice! It sounds like we have similar fit needs. 2 Quick Questions: 1) Are the Salamon Rush considered a narrow fit? I was told that Salamon's are a wider make, in general. 2) Have you ever tried Langs? I heard these area good fit for a narrow foot or heal.
Salomons are a wider make in general, but the Rushes/Xwaves are a tighter fit. I have a medium foot, but a narrow heal. Langes are good for narrow feet, but I could never wear them. They give me a very painful pressure point on the inside upper part of my foot. Good luck!
post #11 of 12
here's a good starting point for more objective info than what people in here are providing. some of what people are saying in here is flat-out wrong.

http://www.bootfitters.com/boot_reviews.htm
post #12 of 12
I was going to give you the same boot review site as Uncle Crud, look in particular at the women's all mountain boot reviews:

http://www.bootfitters.com/boot_reviews.htm

I don't want to be the one to be "flat out wrong", they do verify my point about the tight fit of the Salomon Rush, and the fact that the Ironies are wider, as are the Beasts. I think the Rush 8 or 9 would offer good performance. The 9 is supposed to be quite a bit stiffer. Definitely downsize, and get thee to a bootfitter !
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