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post #61 of 70
Originally Posted by vlad
guilty as charged!!!!!!
I always lived on potato flakes in the winter, for just such purpose.
i turned my girlfriend (It's he rfisrt year yeaching) on to potato flakes as a hyperallergenic, high-potassium substitute to grains...she's hooked.
i have always kept a conatiner (usually a screwtop nalgene style bottle) of dry potato flakes in my rucksack, and poured 'em into a coffeee cup at the lodge, and added hot water for a kickass, high-energy, cramp-killing meal. add a little maragarine or butter and pepper, and you're good to go.
for the record, it also will 'cut' your physique quickly, as your electrolyte balance between the sodium and potassium reduces subcutaneous/subdermal fluid buildup, and one gains a different facial appearance, quickly. bizarre, but very noticeable, esp. in concert with a skier's tan.
(go, atomicman!)

Only problem for me is if I look at a potato, I gain 5 pounds right around the middle!
post #62 of 70
it ain't the 'tater, atomicman, it's the generous helping of butter on thar'....
try potato flakes with an unsaturated spread like smart balance (tm) or something.
you will ski with far more energy, and lose poundage and water retention.
post #63 of 70
Check out this article:

Probably more then anyone wanted to know or read, but interesting!

post #64 of 70
Originally Posted by Atomicman
Check out this article:

Probably more then anyone wanted to know or read, but interesting!

it's what we need to know or read, not what we want to know or read, thAt truly improves us.
i look fwd. to the read, and thank you.
post #65 of 70
I always eat chile. There's never a line and it provides it's own propellant.
post #66 of 70
Originally Posted by vlad
ghost- you're espousing fat, but suggesting cholesterol. try unsaturated fats instead.
water won't ward off cramps anywhere near how calcium and magnesium will. cramps are resultant of lactic acidosis, not dehydration.
there's no protein in ale, in fact, ale is a very allergenic substance.
try a pilsner instead, and drink skim milk for protein. if you mau down a papaya, or chew a few papaya tablets with that skim milk, you'll be treating your body to a very 'useable' protien source.
If I ate like that I would probably live longer. I'm not so sure I would want to though .
How about some chocolate bars, and cola?
post #67 of 70
old age? middle age?

I can go from 9am in the morning to 9pm at night just on water and some cookies that fit in my pockets but than I'm ONLY 26
post #68 of 70
When I start the season, this can be an issue. I try to stay low carb, so I don't do carb loading, etc. and I am not some exercise fanatic so I can be safely regarded as out of shape. But after a couple of weeks of regular skiing (3-4 days a week, sometimes five), the issue clears up. I try to vary what I ski -- groomers, moguls, some open trees, some crud, etc -- throughout the day, but I generally ski the last chair. Age: 54. Gender: Female. I have a stereotypical low carb breakfast of cheese omelet and sausage, plus ONE cup of coffee. I tend to eat lunch early to avoid getting stuck with leftover whatever. I usually have an Atkins bar, soup, and hot herbal tea, then I am fine for the rest of the day. In fact, most of my vertical gets clocked AFTER lunch. I'd say that on a "good day" -- I can SEE and we have nice powder rather than frozen crud -- I log about 10,000 feet before lunch and then 20,000 after lunch. I arrive home ravenous.
post #69 of 70
Originally Posted by ctown
old agemiddle age?

I can go from 9am in the morning to 9pm at night just on water and some cookies that fit in my pockets but than I'm ONLY 26

ever notice that on sunny days with kickass conditions, with no crowds to be found, you can ski all day on water alone?

post #70 of 70

You're not eating right

I think a problem is that you're not eating right.

Start off with a decent breakfast, ie eggs overhard (something that's easy on the oil and butter) with a little bit of cheese if need be, but often times the restaurants just put too much on. A complex carb such as oatmeal would be fantastic (take it easy on the sugar, none would be ideal as the GI on that is high). Have a piece of fruit too. Personally, I would avoid the hash browns as that stuff will make you FULL and put you to sleep. If you're going to have toast, try to have 100% whole wheat ... just avoid anything with refined/enriched carbs as that stuff will put you to sleep too.

Then mid morning eat something like a banana and some beef jerky.

For lunch, you can have a sandwich, but again, I stress avoid the processed carbs ... stick to the 100% whole wheat breads. The grittier the bread, the better for you. If the bread almost melts in your mouth or can be easily "mushed", that's the stuff that puts you to sleep. Lodgefoodwise, try to eat a healthy sandwich or a salad w/ some protein and good veggies ... ask for the dressing on the side and only use a little bit of cheese if necessary. If you're going to eat some fries, share them with friends.

In the afternoon, have a protein bar ... problem is with those is that they're chock full of chemicals, so try to only have one a day. Be sure to mix vegetables throughout the day too in your meals!

When calling it a day, eat some protein and carbs again, as your muscles will need the nutrition to recover. Banana, jerky, and some carrots would be great.

Then for dinner, don't go crazy overboard with a 2000 cal meal ... perhaps it's something you can do 1-2x a week. I know you're on vacation, but if you do that every night, you'll probably start feeling like crap and you're energy level won't be as high, which means you're not going to ski as well as you could. If you don't care about your ski performance, then eat away!

1) Eat a fairly balanced meal every 2-3 hours (ie low-fat protein, complex carbs, and a lil' bit of good fats)
2) Eat complex carbs and avoid the sleepy refined/enriched/starchy carbs
3) Eat veggies and STAY HYDRATED (all jackets should have camelbaks as standard)
4) A little bit of caffeine can be consumed ... perhaps a cup of joe in the morning and a cup after lunch ... although lodge coffee usually sucks and costs $3 a cup.

Originally Posted by viking kaj
I'm reposting info from an earlier post on the "Paleo Diet for Athletes", which apparently generates less interest than the general "What do you eat for lunch?" type of post. So anyone who is really interested can go there for more detail.

The newer answer for optimum performance for all athletes in longer term (more than 2-3 hour) athletic events is:

1) a good breakfast involving lean protein, fruit and fresh veg at least an hour or two before you start skiing; and

2) lots of small meals/snacks including complex carbs and electrolytes (sports drinks and juices, fruit and dried fruit) and lean protein (nuts and lean meat, tuna, salami, jerky, etc.) during the day. You need to start reloading complex carbs (fruits and veggies) within an hour or so after you start exercising for optimum performance.

3) a recovery drink including complex carbs (fruit juice, fruits) and protein (whey, egg white or similar) as soon as you finish exercising (lemon in the hefeweizen unfortunately does not count). You can actually buy a prepackaged protein drink with fruit juice in health food stores like Whole Foods if you don't want to premix you own, or I imagine a large OJ with some jerky or salami on the side could work in a pinch.

I think one of the reasons most people get tired after lunch is because they are dehydrated, by eating a meal you change the solid content of your body and unless you hydrate sufficiently you feel the effects more severely after a meal. On top of that you are usually fighting dehydration in skiing since this is exacerbated by cold and altitude. So stopping to drink often or using a hydration pack with sports drink or fruit juice, in addition to the above small meal strategy should work to alleviate the post lunch crash.
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