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post #31 of 47
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Originally Posted by Cyclist
Max 501 and ssh,

I am curious, how much do you weigh guys? I am in the market for a B5 right now (at the right price) and I cannot decide between a 162 or a 172 length. I am 5'10 and 175 lbs and an advanced skier - fast on groomers doing everything from medium to long turns. I have a 5* in 168 which I honestly find somewhat short for me.

What do you guys think?

cyclist
Completely different concept on the 5*
post #32 of 47
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Originally Posted by ssh
Personally, I prefer to be able to shorten the radius up more than I worry about a perfect minimum arc carved turn being that long. But, that's me, and YMMV.
I'm in agreement here. Just pointing it out for large radius skiers.
post #33 of 47
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
it does everything the 172 does but is more agile. Just as stable on edge. I found it to be better in the chop & up to maybe 15"-18" of powder.
Excellent input...can you describe how the 162 was better in chop and the powder. Seems counter intuitive when compared to a longer ski.
post #34 of 47
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Originally Posted by Max_501
Excellent input...can you describe how the 162 was better in chop and the powder. Seems counter intuitive when compared to a longer ski.
I know it does, but i am not a soft ski fan in the Pow & chop. Of course skiing a 162 in general seems counterintuitive for someone my size. .

I guess it is just that is less sluggish and more agile without being less stable. I got plenty of float and seemed felt more balanced on the 162.
for example I skied a friends Seth pistols in some Pow & chop back to back with my Sugar Daddy. Wow what a difference there!

The Seth is a noodle the SD a plank. ( older SD in a 173) the Seth was the most erratic unstable bounced around junk I have ever skied.

the Sd by comparison was quiet, composed and stable as hell. Blew through anything with no deflection. the tip of the Seth is very soft. which was very unnerving. The 162 seemed to have no disadvantage to me whatsoever and now the 172 seems too big for me.

my older boy (ex racer) is on the 172 but he is 20, 6'1" & weighs 225! He loves 'em. was skeptical at first but now that he has a pair is absolutely blown away with the ski!

I have always likeed a beefier ski in the Pow. it is probably from skiing Volkls and Atomics for many years. they always seemd to be skis you had to ski from the tip.


You know it is a lot of ski.
post #35 of 47
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
I know it does, but i am not a soft ski fan in the Pow & chop. Of course skiing a 162 in general seems counterintuitive for someone my size.
If you were grabbing a Metron would you grab the 162 or 172 for 30" of fresh powder?
post #36 of 47
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
You know it is a lot of ski.
Yeah, that it is. That's why I was thinking that the M11 (being softer) in a 172 might be a very good match on the deeper days.
post #37 of 47
That is a damn good question! have not skied either in that deep a snow.

Probably grab the Sugar's!!!!!
post #38 of 47
In that case then gentlemen (and the nice lady chick) all directions seem to point me to get a 162 on the B5. I still think it is a short ski considering I used to ski the 180s over ten years ago. I am planning to demo both the 162 and 172 in Killington at the end of this month. Is the B5 really that bad on large GS runs?

In that case the GS days will have to be on the 168 Volkl 5* or the replacement Volkl 175 Allstar which I am saving up for.

ssh and Max 501 - how tall are you guys if you do not mind me asking?
post #39 of 47
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Originally Posted by Cyclist
Is the B5 really that bad on large GS runs?

In that case the GS days will have to be on the 168 Volkl 5* or the replacement Volkl 175 Allstar which I am saving up for.

ssh and Max 501 - how tall are you guys if you do not mind me asking?
I have the 5* also and like it for play days. Most of the time I'm on my metron's. I've let a few guys try my baby's out and one thought the 162 was the ski for him. The other one(6'1" 180 lbs) said he thought they were too turny. I really do believe that my build and weight makes a difference on the GS vs short turns. When I'm messing around with my girlfriend and her kids for a day, I may switch to the 5* or the P50 because they are lighter and I can just mess around.

BUT....I must say....when I'm on the Metron B5, it's almost like putting on my superhero costume. I get a feeling like I just gotta Power up and I can't hold myself back from "crankin"! I find myself challenging complete stranger to "keep up!"
post #40 of 47
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Originally Posted by trekchick
BUT....I must say....when I'm on the Metron B5, it's almost like putting on my superhero costume.
Its amazing that you can bend a B5 in a 162cm at your light weight! Very impressive.
post #41 of 47
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Originally Posted by Cyclist
In that case then gentlemen (and the nice lady chick) all directions seem to point me to get a 162 on the B5. I still think it is a short ski considering I used to ski the 180s over ten years ago. I am planning to demo both the 162 and 172 in Killington at the end of this month. Is the B5 really that bad on large GS runs?

In that case the GS days will have to be on the 168 Volkl 5* or the replacement Volkl 175 Allstar which I am saving up for.

ssh and Max 501 - how tall are you guys if you do not mind me asking?
Cyclist, I'm 6' and 175lbs. Back in the straight-ski days, my prefered ski was a 205cm SL. Going down to the 162 was a challenge as I got on the first chair, but from the first turn it was clear that they were enough ski. I've never found their top-end speed limit, and I ski quite fast in all conditions (even managing to match the ESA coaches during coaches' day except for the tight trees and some of the steeper and unfamiliar chutes at AltaBird).
post #42 of 47
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Originally Posted by Max_501
If you were grabbing a Metron would you grab the 162 or 172 for 30" of fresh powder?
Until this week at AltaBird, I expected that the B5 wouldn't keep up with fatter skis. However, even following folks skiing monsters like Bros, Seth Pistols, and even Bob Barnes on the Fischer BigStix 10.6 (or... err... Nordicaer BigStix ) let me know that they aren't quite the floaters that those are, but they can hold their own.
post #43 of 47
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Originally Posted by ssh
Until this week at AltaBird, I expected that the B5 wouldn't keep up with fatter skis. However, even following folks skiing monsters like Bros, Seth Pistols, and even Bob Barnes on the Fischer BigStix 10.6 (or... err... Nordicaer BigStix ) let me know that they aren't quite the floaters that those are, but they can hold their own.
I've had mine in 3 feet of heavy powder and I was able to keep up with everyone with fatter boards and was able to turn quicker in the trees. It would very interesting to see how the 172 M11 would handle that.
post #44 of 47
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Originally Posted by Max_501
It would very interesting to see how the 172 M11 would handle that.
In a word - beautifully.
post #45 of 47
Ssh,

If you had a choice what length would you rather use on a Volkl allstar for GS turns a 168 or a 175? Note that the Allstar has a tiny bit more cut than a 5*.
post #46 of 47
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Originally Posted by Cyclist
Ssh,

If you had a choice what length would you rather use on a Volkl allstar for GS turns a 168 or a 175? Note that the Allstar has a tiny bit more cut than a 5*.
14.4M at 168
15.9M at 175

So, if you really want GS turns the 175 is closer.

http://www.volkl.com/ski/ss_allstar.html
post #47 of 47
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Originally Posted by Max_501
Its amazing that you can bend a B5 in a 162cm at your light weight! Very impressive.
I'm not sure what kind of flex I'm getting out of the B5 but I know I love how it performs in all the conditions here in Michigan. For instance, today I started out on groomers at 10 A M, with my P50(lots of flex and loved them for about an hour. When things started to get cruddy, I jumped on the Metrons and they were with me the rest of the day. Crud, Icy spots, soft moguls...I wouldn't have wanted to go to any other ski in our quiver.
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