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all-mountain fat: Bandit XXX or volkl G4?

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
i'm now on a pair of 184 volant powerkarve's. they were cheap last year, so i bought 'em. i'm 6'1, 170. on groomed and ice, they hold wonderfully, but they come up short when you take them at speed and into choppier conditions, as they are pretty soft. so i tried the xxx's in 185 and the g4's in 188. both were great, and both had me skiing like a superhero. but i which is the better all-mountain performer? above all i'm looking for skis that will excel in the pow, but also offer good stability when cutting GS sweepers on-piste. and how about the other fats, like the 10ex, head monsters, dynastars? any advice would be great. cheers.
post #2 of 26
Having skied on both I think that the G4 is a more stable ski in the lengths you're considering. The G4 can also hold it's own on the frontside groomed stuff as well.
I found the XXX's were a little soft, but I was on the older model that didn't have the two sheets of metal that the new ones have.
post #3 of 26
Add the Fischer Big Stix 84 to your list!
post #4 of 26
Thread Starter 
thanks for the responses! yeah, i am sort of leaning towards the G4 because it is a little more competent than the bandit on-piste. as for the Fischer's, they do seem a lot like the G4's, but a little more of a short-medium turning radius ski. any personal experiences with 'em, astrochimp?
post #5 of 26
I demoed the Big Stick late last season in the 186 It was not as GS ski like,as the 10ex was But IMHO It is a better all around ski. Where the 10ex likes big GS turns The Fischer seemed to like a lot of turn shapes it user friendly in the bumps All in all the fisher is a fun ride. That said,I bought a Atomic R:ex not becuse it was a better ski i just happen to get a deal on a new R:ex I think it will be a good addition to my quiver. There are a great many wider skis out there that would fit what your looking for The New K2 pro
post #6 of 26
Thread Starter 
do you mean the mod x pro? demoed them last year and thought they were good, but not much wider than my powerkarves. pretty stiff and good at speed, but i hear bad things about their durability.
post #7 of 26
Have a look at the Atomic 11.20. Handles everything very well inc POW. Excellent edge hold and BUSTS crud like a D9.

Oz
post #8 of 26
Thread Starter 
demoed the 11.20's a few times last season. phenomenal ski, i agree. but i'd want a wider waist for the pow.
post #9 of 26
One thing you may want to consider is that the XXX is a foam core and the G4's are wood core with a fiberglass wrap combined with titanium above and below the wood core. The R:ex's are titanium and foam combined. Foam is lighter, but can be less durable. I also demoed 11.20's last winter and lied them alot but wanted something wider for ootah snow.
post #10 of 26
Valley X,

I demoe'd the 84 last year and bought a pair of last year's model recently.

It is a wood core ski with no metal which makes it light. The carbon fiber keeps it stiff enough to handle funky snow.

Durable. Well made. Fun ski.
post #11 of 26
My husband and I both demoed 10EXs last year and neither of us loved them. I ski G41s regularly and the 10EX just seemed a little too lightweight - like they were flopping around and reacting to the snow variations instead of cutting through the crud. Probably a factor of what I'm used to, but I prefer the more stable feeling of the Volkls. I also bought some AK Launchers last season which are lightweight but I thought they handled really well off-piste. On groomers I definitely want the G41s though.
post #12 of 26
Thread Starter 
astrochimp, thanks for the info on the fischers. i've spoken to a few people who've skied them, and they all loved them. again, i'm just wary of buying anything i haven't demoed. fischers are hard to find in whistler, but i might find a pair of last year's at the turkey sale next month. oh what size did you end up buying? i figure i'd fall right between the 181-191 lengths.

altagirl, how do you like your g41's in the deeper snow? were they too stiff? the g4's would be my only pair of skis, and while i know they'd rip on the groomers, i'm concerned that the stiffness would hamper their pow performance.

[ September 25, 2002, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: valley X ]
post #13 of 26
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Originally posted by valley X:
altagirl, how do you like your g41's in the deeper snow? were they too stiff? the g4's would be my only pair of skis, and while i know they'd rip on the groomers, i'm concerned that the stiffness would hamper their pow performance.
Peter Keeltly's site has them listed as deep snow skis valley. I think their ability to rip on groomers is a bonus to their off-piste breeding.
post #14 of 26
Valley X,

I bought last year's smallest size which is 186. (I weigh 180-190?? and ski farilyu aggressively.) Seems long but skied shorter. I am wondering if this year's 180 would make the skia better tree/bump critter but for open speed bombs and float the 186 wil be great. Despite the length it was easy in mellow bumps.
post #15 of 26
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Originally posted by valley X:
altagirl, how do you like your g41's in the deeper snow? were they too stiff? the g4's would be my only pair of skis, and while i know they'd rip on the groomers, i'm concerned that the stiffness would hamper their pow performance.
Valley,

For the past season and a half, the G4 has been my primary powder ski. I've skied them at least 50 powder days ranging from a few inches to multiple feet here in Utah. They rip. They are an awesome pow ski with the ability to chew threw afternoon crud, sun crud, and toss them around on the groomers a bit. If your going to use them for a powder ski, I'd opt to get away from a lifted binding, but as a groomer ski, I'd opt for it. Depends on your preference. The ski is fast edge to edge, and carves in the powder. The tips stay up, and the ski wants to move out. They rip in the trees, chutes, bowls and everything in between. Put them away when it comes time to run the bumps. They are being replaced this season with a Volkl Explosive for powder only, the G4's will still come out later in the day.

If still in doubt, come to Utah, look around in lift lines on deep powder days (often), you will be amazed on how many G4/G41's you see.
post #16 of 26
Thread Starter 
astrochimp, yeah i'd probably go for the 186's too but i dislike the new color-scheme -- not that any self-respecting mountain man would admit to being swayed by a ski's top sheet

altaskier, you're definitely reinforcing my belief that the G4 is the ski for me. They're pretty popular up here, too, but overshadowed by the superbly marketed bandit XXX and the atomic 10ex. anyhow, The price is right, as last year's model has been discounted to just over $500 Cdn, or about $320 USD. As for bumps i'll probably end up keeping my powerkarve 184's, or maybe sell them and re-enlist my straight-as-an-arrow 198 rossi viper z's.
post #17 of 26
I really enjoyed the G41s in powder - never noticed any problems with the stiffness. Some of that is probably that I'm just used to them (probably about 80 days on them), so if you're used to a flexier ski it might take some adjustment time.

My favorite thing about the G41 is that I never ran into conditions where I felt I had the 'wrong ski' - hopefully this makes sense... There are other skis that could be better for specific conditions on opposite ends of the spectrum, but the G41s made everything fun. They're good at (Utah) ice and good at powder and carve beautifully on anything you can get an edge into. I really think if you're looking for one ski to use everyday out West the G4 is it.
post #18 of 26
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Originally posted by altagirl:
My favorite thing about the G41 is that I never ran into conditions where I felt I had the 'wrong ski' - hopefully this makes sense... There are other skis that could be better for specific conditions on opposite ends of the spectrum, but the G41s made everything fun. They're good at (Utah) ice and good at powder and carve beautifully on anything you can get an edge into.
I agree with everything altagirl writes about the G41. I got a pair last season, to replace my aging Snow Rangers. As can be expected, they excel in powder and crud. On the groomed, they don't feel like "wide" skis. You can get way over on edge and carve a deep groove. They are my "go anywhere, handle anything" skis.

They do ski longer than their length, so I'd advise going shorter. I have 178s. I only wish they were a bit lighter, as they are my backcountry skis.
post #19 of 26
Thread Starter 
thanks again for all the great advice. found a pair of last year's G4's mounted with some sweet marker bindings (titanium something-or-other, but a lot of G4's seem to have them), probably used 5-6 times, all told, in great condition, for $550 Cdn., or about 330 american. done and done. it was hailing yesterday in whistler village...the peak is white. it starts...
post #20 of 26
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Originally posted by valley X:
thanks again for all the great advice. found a pair of last year's G4's mounted with some sweet marker bindings (titanium something-or-other, but a lot of G4's seem to have them), probably used 5-6 times, all told, in great condition, for $550 Cdn., or about 330 american. done and done. it was hailing yesterday in whistler village...the peak is white. it starts...
Basically the same as I ski on. G4's and markers. Although for some reason I've found I have to set the markers a bit higher than my normal DIN with Look/Rossi binders
post #21 of 26
Quote:
Originally posted by valley X:
thanks again for all the great advice. found a pair of last year's G4's mounted with some sweet marker bindings (titanium something-or-other, but a lot of G4's seem to have them), probably used 5-6 times, all told, in great condition, for $550 Cdn., or about 330 american. done and done. it was hailing yesterday in whistler village...the peak is white. it starts...
Basically the same as I ski on. G4's and markers. Although for some reason I've found I have to set the markers a bit higher than my normal DIN with Look/Rossi binders
post #22 of 26
Thread Starter 
i used to have a pair of rossi/look FKS turntable bindings, and i hated the way the heel-piece worked. i tend to keep my DIN relatively low, and i've been on markers for quite some time now, so i probably wouldn't notice the difference.
post #23 of 26
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Originally posted by skieast:
...Although for some reason I've found I have to set the markers a bit higher than my normal DIN with Look/Rossi binders
From everything I have heard, I think your experience about the settings is just about universal. The Look/Rossi bindings have so much more elasticity, its possible to set them much lower and still stay in. I've got a variety of bindings on my different skis and can always set the Looks about 1 point less (both heel and toe) than Markers, Tyrolias, Sollys, etc.

Tom / PM
post #24 of 26
Glad that my suspicions are confirmed. I've ordered my explosivs with looks, so if all goes well..
post #25 of 26
Good choice, but then I'm kinda biased since I have 190 Explosivs with Looks on them and absolutely love them.

Tom / PM
post #26 of 26
I have G4's with Fritsi's Diamir 2 and it is a great combination
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