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post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
i have built some boards by hand and its hard work for sure. its just a hobby for me to exercise my passion for the board and riding my own product is just so pleasing.

anyhow, was up at wolf creek (CO) this weekend and met Klem and Lisa owners of venture snowboards, they had a demo tent out. very cool people with excellent boards, a wind powered company to top it off!!

are any of you riding boards that were hand made by a small company such as venture (or perhaps even contructed a board yourself)??

00
post #2 of 26
www.donek.com

Serious high performance boards. You can tell the difference as soon as you get on.

I recently purchased the Sasquatch 170.

I have a lot of friends and students who ride all kinds of Doneks.

Coiler, Prior, and Madd all have cult followings as well.
post #3 of 26
Never Summer. All their boards are handmade in their factory in Denver, CO. Their Premier model is just amazing. It's by far the most bomber and versatile freeride board you'll find - rails like no other on groomers, floats like a cork in pow, agile in the trees and stomps landings like you're Jeremy Jones.
post #4 of 26
(i'm almost reticent to post this)
when i was sick of F2, I hooked up with a revolutionary board building kiwi who was building/designing his own brand under the apocalypse name. I worked out a deal to have him build my rennstock with aquamarine topsheets, so i could put F2 stickers on 'em and still be good with my contract.
this guy (david partridge) used to invite me to the factory to be a part of the process, start to finish. small production facility in upstate NY, bought from a french guy by a taiwanese guy.
it was a blast inputting the shapes, the lams, etc.

nothing like watching your boards built from start to finish.
giving too much of my own idiotic input bit me, veritably, in the ass, though.
at my last US Open run, i had just flown in form Europe, and decided that an ultra-stiff DH board would set me free.
I contacted david, and asked that he make me two boards for the open that were the stiffest things ever conceived.
he reluctantly agreed- i requested extra damping layers, as well.
david had a hectic production schedule, and showed up at the open (two days late) the night before the DH (actually, i believe they were referring to it as a SG). i mounted my longboard that night, with the fritschis i rode, and the AM of the event, i got one free run in with this tank.
It was amazing, but I had to really load it up to carve clean, so i was pretty much just knee-driving the thing on nice, lumbering race carves to the bottom. I got up to the top of the SG, stretched, and took my spot at the wand.
when I took off, I had this overwhelming sensation of smooth, firm control, as if i were zip-screwed to the roof of the E train.
got late on the technical third gate (i always loved an overly high line, though), and as I shot her around to set earlier for the fourth, with all that wonderful velocity, I found it tough to scrub what i needed to scrub, and shot like mortar round past the fourth gate and into the fence, like a corpse bungied to a toboggan.
lesson learned?
let the board builders do their job correctly, and concentrate on doing my own correctly.
what a bozo i was......
post #5 of 26

living ledgend

Vlad, your are a living ledgend this much I know for sure...One question did you opt. for the un-obtanium, pho-flubber, quad glass, hefty cali-dueski, sandwich construction?

Jonah D.
post #6 of 26
I opted for a buncha extra layers of kevlar and aluminum, and paid dearly by looking like a complete assh*le when i flew off the course like a derailed subway with a wig and tits.....
(i'll leave the building to the builders and never ever give input to one, again ....what a squid move that was )
like anything else, it's not what we ride, but how we ride 'em......
post #7 of 26
ahh, boards....
post #8 of 26

splits?

Vlad the e-mailer...you mentioned something about Fawcett's boards. Ever get a chance to ride a split apline deck? Your thoughts? What board are you currently riding? Is it the f2?

I'm currently rocking a rientiger w / TD 1's from a few seasons ago that pretty much carves like a raped ape on Calious.

on potatoe, two...

Jonah D.
post #9 of 26
good lookin out, jonah-
I edited any mention of other athletes due to the accusations of 'name dropping' levelled at my posting on 'that other site'
salient though my mention of mark was, i felt it would just add fuel to the p-p-p-p-p-phire.
mark was doing, while riding for K2, what phil mahre was doing, a decade previous, while skiing for k2.
phil won the gold on a volkl p-7 witha k2 topsheet, and mark was riding for K2 while on the apocalypse tac/stat/pre-velox.
I absolutely hated my F2s, and i tried mark's tac board and loved it.
the torsionally unforgiving apocalypse was well-suited for the ski-boot, ass-dropping, non-laid out style instilled into us by arguably the winningest coach in alpine snowboard history.
the tac boards were internally asym with a symmetric mold.
the speed channel in the bottom made 'em silly fast.
after i last saw you (in '00?) and headed back to europe, i signed on with volkl, even though my competitive days were long past. volkl gmbh took care of several of the guys i was coaching and tossed me a DH and a Sl. I still have the 163 Sl as my sole board to this day. I sold the DH to some wealthy luxembourger cat for about twice what it would sell for, new. it was kinda rare, though.
my archaic renntiger's more than enough board for me, for how little i can actually ride.
lyme disease and bartonella have been eating away my myelin and my meniscii (in me knees) for nearly 20 years, it turns out, so i walk and ride for sh*t these days.
hey- canes are cool- they're the new 'black'......
post #10 of 26
Thread Starter 
just thought i would share the board i've been riding this season.

i made it with the intention giving me all around performance in carving, freestyle and freeriding. i'm 6'1" and my feet are size 12's so i made this board wide with a length of 158cm and its a twin tip. the core was cut shaped down from 164cm, making the board stiffer than my previous ones, and i also gave it alot of camber; the combination gives it alot of pop, quick turning ability, powder floater but its a bit stiff for me on the freestyle.

the next board i'm using a 160cm core but sticking with the same specs as this one. however i'm very pleased with my experiment, meets just about everything i wanted from it and i can carve doughnuts with it.
note the experimental graphics, high tech

pic 1- attaching edges to a cut out sintered base:


pic 2- fresh out of the press:


pic 3- board after some abuse:


i plan on making tele skis eventually btw, but not a priority project.
post #11 of 26
THAT IS IMPRESSIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
post #12 of 26
Question for ya Zero. With that kit, would you be able to produce ski's too? I am a little curious. I am thinking of plucking down the $$$ for one, but I would be making splitboards and some friends would be making ski's if possible.
post #13 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by killclimbz
Question for ya Zero. With that kit, would you be able to produce ski's too? I am a little curious. I am thinking of plucking down the $$$ for one, but I would be making splitboards and some friends would be making ski's if possible.
i think it could be done, the longest board i can make on my mold is 167-168cm. my skis will be very simple, but i do believe they will work just fine.
talk with Lindsay about the mold possibilities because the tail of the ski will be a question for you maybe. once you get the idea however you can always make another mold to fit your needs.
post #14 of 26
how does one go about learning to make snowboards/skis? any special or expensive tools involved?
post #15 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by onstar
how does one go about learning to make snowboards/skis? any special or expensive tools involved?
the mold and pump for vacuum pressing is what cost me the most $'s.

anyone with basic shop skills and a router can do it, but it does take practice and patience to see your project through to completion.
post #16 of 26
not that my esteem is worth jack, but i am
seriously
impressed by anyone who can wake up, decide to build their own sleds, and just go ahead and make 'em.
you wanna make a name at it? do some custom molds, a sin long boards, narrows, etc.
when i look at the limited quivers of modern alpine boarders, i see the dearth of good shapes out there.
again, big ups, 00!
post #17 of 26
Zero, I am finding this thread fascinating. You should do a pictorial showing each step of the process. You've got a few already. I am interested to see a bit more. You could call it "birth of a board". I am totally thinking of buying that starter kit from snowboard materials. This would be a fun hobby.
post #18 of 26
killclimbz --

Donek has some cool stuff on their website that shows their boards going together:

http://www.donek.com/tech.htm (See link for .avi video, too.)

Plus this guy documented his factory tour there:

http://www.endlesswinter.co.uk/donek1.html

zerozero --

Way cool. I get nervous just *waxing* my own board.
post #19 of 26
Thread Starter 
thanks for the props vlad!

micheal, just don't let your iron get too hot or cook one spot too long

killclimbz,
i'll try to sit down and put something together in order that goes along with the process.

heres a pic of an early template for a 165 i made, compared to my libtech 165. it looks longer because its a flat piece of plywood. the template is used to shape the base and core:


here is my adjustable mold, you can also see the small pump on the work bench used for create vacuum. on the floor you can see an unshaped core:


thats my womans' custom ionic road bike on the left btw, thats a sweet bike!
post #20 of 26
That is what I am talking about. Keep posting up the pics. I've seen Donek's page on making of a board. My setup is going to be much more homegrown than that. Much like yours, so that is why I am interested. I need to buy a new splitboard this year, but then again I might just pull the trigger on this equipment and then getting a new split will be a lot easier in the future.
post #21 of 26
Vlad,
Did Phil Mahre really use a Volkl ski in the Olympics, and how did find this out?
Wonder if he used it most of his career, and if other skiers now are doing same?
thanks
post #22 of 26
Those Ventures look very similar to Doneks. Same construction, quadratic sidecut (I've wondered whether it's the sidecut or the flex that makes Donek's so nice, with the construction being so simple).
post #23 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wassnowboarder
I've wondered whether it's the sidecut or the flex that makes Donek's so nice.

The answer is...


Yes.
post #24 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by killclimbz
Zero, I am finding this thread fascinating. You should do a pictorial showing each step of the process. You've got a few already. I am interested to see a bit more. You could call it "birth of a board". I am totally thinking of buying that starter kit from snowboard materials. This would be a fun hobby.
killclimbz,
just finished putting a board in the press, it'll go over night. wanted to get a pic of the layup process for you but need a second person for that.

this one should turn out sweet, i'll post the pic asap.
post #25 of 26
Very kewl. I am thinking about purchasing the vacuum kit myself. Still waiting to pull the trigger. I am interested in how the ski's will go too. As some friends of my would probably help offset the costs if they could press up some skis.
post #26 of 26
Thread Starter 
i'm embarassed because i peeled my topsheet of my latest board.
after throwing it around in the yard i decided it must be holding together fairly well.
so i spray painted it, and hell this thing rides friggin solid!

so hear a pic of my latest frankenstein

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