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Why these SBers sit in the middle of the trails?????

post #1 of 41
Thread Starter 
I just need to vent!

I always iqnore them but after this week I had it......Why do Snowboarders(probably newbies) always sit at the most dangerous places on the trials?.....they always sit in the middle of a turn(blind spots) or at the top of a somewhat steep slope sometimes a little below the peak of a slope(where u can't see them).........The problem I have with them is that they alway jam up the path......when other newbies see them they usually panic slow down while some average and expert guys like us just zoom by them........u'll know there's a problem when u see bottle necking on the trail and not on your way home in the toll booth....

some newbie try to avoid them panic grap hold of the 1st person he sees zooming by ME trying to stop himself by dragging me alone when he falls......just crazy.....I don't blame the guy holding on to me but these people if they wanna chat go to the lunge!!!!!

it's very dangerous for themself too with their back facing on coming traffic and their hands widely spread......I always have an evil feeling of maybe cutting their fingers off......

Is there a polite way to tell them to get the F outta the way?

I honestly wanna jump over them sometime but I'm not so efficient on all my jumps yet and I don't wanna end up chopping someones head off
post #2 of 41
I have to agree. I strongly dislike snowboarders. As well, they tend to rest their boards on your skis while on chairlifts. GRR
post #3 of 41
This has already been discussed.

So let me summarize the discussion that will inevitably take place:
  1. Snowboarders are to blame and we shouldn't let them on the hill to begin with.
  2. Except, not really because some skiers are idiots too.
  3. Except, it's not really skiers or snowboarders, but youth in general.
  4. Therefore, the proper solution is to educate them.
  5. Except, it would be easier to just ban snowboarders from the hill to begin with.
  6. Rinse, wash, repeat discussion.

In another thread someone once referred to mobs of kids hiding under rollers as "teenage wasteland".
post #4 of 41
Thread Starter 
I don't hate them not all boarders like that............but atleast these people should care for their health........why don't resorts put warning signs up..........Next time I'll take some pics of the traffic jams
post #5 of 41
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Originally Posted by ctown
I don't hate them not all boarders like that............but atleast these people should care for their health........why don't resorts put warning signs up..........Next time I'll take some pics of the traffic jams

Dont bother taking pictures, we've all seen it and the only people it bothers anymore are the most crotchety of epic posters.
post #6 of 41
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Originally Posted by Takecontrol618
Dont bother taking pictures, we've all seen it and the only people it bothers anymore are the most crotchety of epic posters.
Exactly. Get over it. Man this board sounds lately like a bunch of old farts bitching and moaning. Look at the ongoing pet peeve post. Whiners!
post #7 of 41
Snowboarders sit in the middle of trails because they hate you ctown. In fact, this only occurs on mountains where you are. At every other mountain in the world, EXCEPT the one you are visiting, snowboarders go from top to bottom without stopping. If you would stop skiing, ctown, no mountain would ever have this problem again.
post #8 of 41
Poles aren't just for turns, you know.
post #9 of 41
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Originally Posted by Powdr
Exactly. Get over it. Man this board sounds lately like a bunch of old farts bitching and moaning. Look at the ongoing pet peeve post. Whiners!
Come, come now. If it wasn't for bitching about snowboarders this place would have little left but the sound of crickets.
post #10 of 41

easy answer!

Because they teach them that in snowboard classes ...

Just watch ...

go figure???
post #11 of 41
Don't waste your breath on em -Just take a bitchin wicked turn at speed and spray em ---yee haa
post #12 of 41
There is a real reason they sit just below the hills where you can't see them. It is easier to sit on the slope of a hill -- harder to drop down on your bottom & get back up on a flat than against a slope. I think most don't realize that you can't see them and the danger -- but that is why they stop just over the hill.
post #13 of 41
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Originally Posted by Powdr
Exactly. Get over it. Man this board sounds lately like a bunch of old farts bitching and moaning. Look at the ongoing pet peeve post. Whiners!
Too true, too true.

Maybe it's because lots of folks aren't seeing enough snow this year? 'Cause I would imagine that most people are like me, and once they're on the hill or the chair and the snow's looking good, that all the cares and worries and peeves just melt away. Until you get crashed into by an out-of-control-beginner, of course.

As for those snowboarders. I don't get it either. My husband put away his skis and started riding in 1992 and HE doesn't sit in blind spots below a roller. Of course, he doesn't sit down much. Just goes as fast and steep and deep as he can. But he doesn't get it either, just considers 'em bad eggs, ruining snowboarding's rep for the good folks. (Same thing he thinks about the guy you'll see *snowplowing* on his board down a run of perfect fresh, scraping all the good snow off for the rest of us!)

Mollmeister
post #14 of 41
A level 9 skier can ski any slope in any conditions regardless of how many snowboarders are sitting on it.
post #15 of 41
it is not just snowboarders. It is skiers as well.

you want to know why? Because the instructors teach that behavior. Just like getting the group back together infront of the maze. It is unbelievable. I report it to patrol at least a couple times a season.

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A level 9 skier can ski any slope in any conditions regardless of how many snowboarders are sitting on it.
this may be true, but when you come over a blind area and the instructor is standing there (not able to be seen from above) with his class, no matter how good you are, you are going to be in danger! I have covered a class with snow, including the instructor, with an emergency stop, because the moron had stopped his class in the worst spot. isn't it skiers responsiblilty code #4 or something.
post #16 of 41
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Originally Posted by mattchuck2
Snowboarders sit in the middle of trails because they hate you ctown. In fact, this only occurs on mountains where you are. At every other mountain in the world, EXCEPT the one you are visiting, snowboarders go from top to bottom without stopping. If you would stop skiing, ctown, no mountain would ever have this problem again.
Shhh! You weren't supposed to tell him.
post #17 of 41
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tief schnee
Shhh! You weren't supposed to tell him.
it's aite all of my buddies are snowboarders anyway Sorry guys I know this bitching been done before I just wanna vent out a little . I don't hate them hope they would just sit on the side of the trail I know the views are amazing
post #18 of 41
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Originally Posted by Always Skiing
There is a real reason they sit just below the hills where you can't see them. It is easier to sit on the slope of a hill -- harder to drop down on your bottom & get back up on a flat than against a slope. I think most don't realize that you can't see them and the danger -- but that is why they stop just over the hill.
This is a very good point. They sit in the middle for the same reason that the slow lane on the freeway is the center lanes. That way they don't have to deal with people comming on or going fast.

Learn to ski the slow line fast and all the obstacles on the slopes seem to vanish. The brakes really don't work for directional control.
post #19 of 41
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Originally Posted by Yuki
Because they teach them that in snowboard classes ...

Just watch ...

go figure???
Certainly not at our mountain, and its also standard practice that we discuss with our students the safety code. Its also something that certified AASI instructors stress to students.

Anyhow, number 3 should be of interest to you.

"Know the code. It's your responsibility"

1.
Always stay in control, and be able to stop or avoid other people or objects.
2.
People ahead of you have the right of way. It is your responsibility to avoid them.
3.
You must not stop where you obstruct a trail, or are not visible from above.
4.
Whenever starting downhill or merging into a trail, look uphill and yield to others.
5.
Always use devices to help prevent runaway equipment.
6.
Observe all posted signs and warnings. Keep off closed trails and out of closed areas.
7.
Prior to using any lift, you must have the knowledge and ability to load, ride and unload safely.
post #20 of 41
Just give them the five O.
post #21 of 41
They sit because it's a lot more comfortable to sit on a board, than to stand. There are an awful lot of skiers standing around where they shouldn't be as well, but I guess the boarders are just more visible because they take up more surface area.

For every boarder I've ever seen sitting at a lift unload or a trail merge, there's usually at least a skier standing there clueless as well.
post #22 of 41
Every thread about a-hole snowboarders should be deleted from here on out. It is getting ridiculous.
post #23 of 41
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Originally Posted by ShellBee

For every boarder I've ever seen sitting at a lift unload or a trail merge, there's usually at least a skier standing there clueless as well.
Hmmm....can't sit....can't stand anywhere........just zoom down the hill, without a pause, and jump back on the chair....

I'd sure like to know WHERE to park myself for the occasional look at the scenery, or where to rest for those longer runs that burn me out all at once. Someone please, please tell me where NOT TO SKI while I'm on the hill?:

As for sitting boarders, I just call them 'targets'.
post #24 of 41
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Originally Posted by Powdr
Exactly. Get over it. Man this board sounds lately like a bunch of old farts bitching and moaning. Look at the ongoing pet peeve post. Whiners!
As an old fart myself, if it was easier to sit down and get up in the middle of a run on skis, I'd probably join 'em. Unfortunately, sitting down in skis isn't too comfortable.
post #25 of 41
Snowboarders are typical groupies. They generally congregate in there little clicks on a few runs that are best suited for there means of sliding. If you want a break from them get out of the pack. Ride the lifts where the lines are short and there are only a few boarders to be found. Play on those runs that if a boarder or skier does venture out on it he had sure as hell better know what he is doing. That is how you get solitude.






"Take it to the limit one more time" Eagles
post #26 of 41

zerozero

Thank you for you "terse" PM. As such I will respond in "public".

My comment was in essence ... that I it sounds like you teach a hill where they have their act together ....

My second comment, I will expand on; I was getting a little tired of having snowboard instructors "unleash" their students, sending them down the hill into classes that I was teaching below.

Since those "students" (read projectiles), should have never been on the hill outside the beginner area in the first place since they clearly did not have the demonstrated ability to turn .... I do blame that on the instructor.

Additionally, since it was "SOP" for the snowboard instructors to line students up across the hill during classes and since those "students" continue to (seemingly) continue this as a common practice as many seem to note, you and your hill are the exceptions to the rule.

Keep up the good work!

FYI .... Yuki does not hide via PM .... just didn't want to clutter the board.
post #27 of 41
I don't dislike snowboarders but I do notice a trend when the sit and it has to do with their orientation to their equipment.

WHen skiers stand with their skis across the fall line and they line up side-to-side with their buddies, they make a line up the hill, not accross it. They block a width of the trail equivelent to the length of the longest ski.

When snowboarders stand, or sit, with their boards across the fall line and line up side-to-sdie with their buddies, they run across the width of the trail. The block a width equivelent to the sum of all the board lengths.

There in lies the problem. Everyone wants to be social and to be social you want to be side-by-side, you don't want to be talking into the back of your buddies head or talk to someone directly behind you.

I've seen instructors in beginner snowboard lessons teach the newbies to line up in a row up the hill, sitting or standing doesn't matter. I guess most newbies either forget this simple matter of etiquette or else where never taught it.
post #28 of 41
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Originally Posted by zerozero
Certainly not at our mountain, and its also standard practice that we discuss with our students the safety code. Its also something that certified AASI instructors stress to students.
oh yeah, sureeeeeeeeeeeeeee this doesn't happen at your mountain!

You or your instructor may not do this, but 95% of them do. PSIA, AASI does not do a good enough job with regulating the industry. Most of the instructors that I see on the mountain can't even ski well.
post #29 of 41

lloyd braun ... great direction

Your post is indeed headed in the right direction.

We, the instructors, need to "police" and discipline ourselves. Indeed, it is part of the curriculum. I can honestly say that I have never taught a lesson where I didn't recite "the code".

That said ... and however ..

The mountain management are in part at fault for some ... note, I said SOME, of this.

We have one and a half hours to teach an intro level one lesson. That is a lot to cover with a class of ten AND have 65% reaching the objective of the lesson .... a last lift ride and a series of linked turns down the bunny hill.

Instead of "quality instruction time" .... managent asks US to distribute pencils to the class and fill out a "survey" for them to gain demographic information. How long does it take for ten to twelve cold people to take off mittens or gloves and fill out a card ... and share/drop pencils.

At the end of the lesson, you are supposed to distribute "cupons" for return bargains and hand out your card and try to drum up business.

Poof .... fifteen minutes are shot on something that could have done when they were signing up for the lesson.

Henry Ford and the assembly line churns right on ....
post #30 of 41
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Originally Posted by lloyd braun
oh yeah, sureeeeeeeeeeeeeee this doesn't happen at your mountain!

You or your instructor may not do this, but 95% of them do. PSIA, AASI does not do a good enough job with regulating the industry. Most of the instructors that I see on the mountain can't even ski well.
I'm in the Rocky Mountain division, precisely New Mexico.

A small local hill near Albuquerque was the scene of a tragic death a few years leading to the "5989" (number of days the kid was alive) campaign around this state.

Last year, a great co-worker and skier also died on our hill in Santa Fe. Events like this reinforce for us, the importance of teaching students solid riding foundations early on for skiers and boarders alike.

Safety, fun and learning are in fact priorities at our mountain.
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