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post #1 of 30
Thread Starter 
Well big mountain is just rocking, tons of snow, few people, yeah tons of chowder-like fog (third day in a row its been soupy) but just for about 15 turns on the top, maybe only 1 turn for some..: but here's the issue - riding up the chair in the middle of a ski school (interspaced between students). the kid behind me yells to hte kids in front of me and the ENTIRE ride it was ( you f'ing a-hole, i'm gonna bitch slap you! no way you f'ing bitch, you can suck my.. and so on), THE WHOLE RIDE!! I'm not exactly a prude about language, have the mouth a sailor myself (not to offend any sailors) but not loudly in public! Everyone unloads and the instructor (who has GOT to have heard the whole thing )gets off, he jokes with the students (who looked about 12), more language (a few, loud, f-you dudes), then they all skied off.
Didn't ruin my day, the skiing was great, the lines were small, but I have to say I was pretty shocked when I thought about it- is that the norm for group lessons? I read about the kid who bent an instructor's pole who sounded like he needed a serious attitude adjustment, certainly seems that group lessons have changed since I was a kid!
anyway, big mountain really is a great place, just curious about the language thing
and PHAT LOVES totally rock, didn't want to take them off my feet, demoed and they are just awesome, even this year with the 95cm waist
post #2 of 30

Instructor needs to crack the whip

Was the instructor also a 12 year old?

Seems to me he should have taken his charges aside and explained to them what their parents obviously never have.

If that didn't work, then a smack on the head with his pole would be in order.
post #3 of 30

Kids these days

Were you skiing in New York. Was it night skiing. Where they snowboarders.

What 're ya gonna do?
post #4 of 30
Thread Starter 

rural kids

nope. Big mountain montana, about 2pm. Instructor definitely an adult (mustache, grey sideburns). a sunday. not real crowded (I had my own chair) but someone in every chair.

I dunno what I'm going to do. Maybe nothing, maybe mention it to the ski school (time, describe the kids, instructor, location). Willl sleep on it anyway. Just seemed very out of line (you know, save that talk for work and bars when they'll really need it! )
post #5 of 30
I would definitely call the Ski School and describe the instructor and let them know that you were offended by the behavior of the students enrolled in their classes. I also feel as you do. Language such as that should not be tolerated in public, and I think we as adults should complain and keep complaining. IMO, I think loud profanitiy should be cause to revoke a ticket!
post #6 of 30
No ski area would want that language to be the hallmark of their ski school program. Mention it and get a response.
post #7 of 30
Maybe the kid had Tourants. Yeah right. If nothing really gets done right away from other skiing adults, parents or resort staff usually some other kid will take it upon themselves to shut this kids mouth. But really, kids like this foul mouth will meet their match, the mountain. Mountain's going to get her respect one way or another. Hope the kid was wearing a helmut.
post #8 of 30
I notice a lot of younger kids' instructors do that kind of thing, let the kids misbehave, so the kids have a (Southpark) Good Time (/Southpark) and the instructor gets more business.

I hate that kind of disgusting behaviour.
post #9 of 30
Tell on the Instructor, he needs a couple of lessons as well.
post #10 of 30
Remember the old line "it takes a village"? Call ski school immediately. If that was my kid......
post #11 of 30
Two calls or visits .... the Ski School Director and a letter to the CEO.

A letter from the TOP down is the one that commands the most attention.

I'd cite the date and the time of the occurance .... they are probably aware of who the instructor is anyway ...
post #12 of 30
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Originally Posted by freeskinow
Were you skiing in New York. Was it night skiing. Where they snowboarders.

What 're ya gonna do?
I hear this ALL the time. It's getting to be normal. I hate it. It's one reason I am losing interest in skiing at night.

During the day, I have this kind of shit going on where I work when the 'parents' of these foul kids come in looking to outfit their little darlings. Some of them as young as 5, throwing tantrums (screaming at the top of their lungs and parents doing NOTHING but arguing with each other about who is going to take Junior to the car, and of course, neither of them do), 10 year olds refusing to try things on, swearing about the color of the jacket, teens sulking around.........

I can't get away from this crap. No wonder I don't like kids.

The good kids? Few and far between. Some say "Thank you" when a parent makes a purchase for them. I comment on it when I see them. I don't comment often enough.
post #13 of 30
Bonni said-The good kids? Few and far between. Some say "Thank you" when a parent makes a purchase for them.
Those kids will have a much better chance of an enjoyable life. Stupid,rude Adults=Children of the same nature. Saw that yesterday at the hill.:
post #14 of 30
I am the leader of the School group from our local church school. I got permission from our school board to take the kids skiing from noon to 5:30 every other week instead of after school.

I am NOT saying that all church school kids are good and all public school kids are bad! But I have 10-20 kids from our church school and 4-5 parents go, so they can ski with their kids. Really good adult to kid ratio! We lay down the rules and any infraction will prohibit the student from attending the next time we ski. It holds more influence because a kid has a chance of losing a half day off school every other week for a fun day of skiing.

Around 4 PM the public school bus pulls up and out comes 60 students with "maybe" 3-4 adults. The language and behavior that starts up when that bus unloads is appauling

If you were to approach me and let me know that anyone in our group behaved the way those ski students behaved(adult or student), I would definitely take it seriously. Our adults need to be aware of the influence we have on the kids and the kids need to be respectful.
post #15 of 30
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Originally Posted by montana mags
PHAT LOVES totally rock, didn't want to take them off my feet, demoed and they are just awesome, even this year with the 95cm waist
I'm guessing those are 95mm waists. I can't imagine 95cm waists would be manageable even in deep powder.
post #16 of 30
Thread Starter 

my mistake!

of course you're right!! NOT cm!
Interesting and very helpful comments, I think I will contact the SSD and CEO and just let them know, as I said, wasn't traumatized but it was really unpleasant (and geez, I work with folks on parole/probation, hear pretty salty language every day) . If I had ever contemplated that when my parents were in range, or if they heard about it, i'd probably still be grounded!
post #17 of 30
In my experience teens who seem never to have had anyone but family tell them how to behave really smarten up when an adult they don't know calls them on their behaviour.

You don't even need to share the language - I've used this "technique" in Japan with 100% success.

Talk to them adult to "adult" rather than adult to child (but with an attitude that lets them know they're seconds away from a serious ass-kicking). If that doesn't work, talk to the instructor, if that doesn't work talk to the instructor's boss.

I'll admit that being a large male probably helps here, but if you just sit there listening to this and do nothing about it - well, you've done nothing to prevent it from happening to you again, have you?

It works for dogs, it'll work for you...

post #18 of 30
I'd let it go now. You should have said something right away to the Instructor and if what he said back to you wasn't satisfactory, then you should have told him you will tell it to the ski school director and make sure the Resort management was informed.

The longer you let it go the less impact it will have on whole issue.

I wouldn't have put up with it and most likely given a reprimand and possibly pulled a few passes. I've busted instructors for skiing closed runs among other things and never have had anything but support from management for doing so.
post #19 of 30
You are all a bunch of whining, complaining, old farts.

That is all I have to say about this.

Gee whiz, kids use bad words. Lets get their instructor fired for not being Mom or Dad and letting them have a good time out on the mountain.

Lets teach the kids at a young age that skiing is a sport for uptight dicks (oooh, I'm so naughty) that have nothing better to do than bitch about how other people are conducting their business.
post #20 of 30
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Originally Posted by skiingman
You are all a bunch of whining, complaining, old farts.

That is all I have to say about this.

Gee whiz, kids use bad words. Lets get their instructor fired for not being Mom or Dad and letting them have a good time out on the mountain.

Lets teach the kids at a young age that skiing is a sport for uptight dicks (oooh, I'm so naughty) that have nothing better to do than bitch about how other people are conducting their business.
You'll have to forgive us in our old age, as I'm sure we just forgot that dropping the F-bomb on the chairlift adds to the "good time out on the mountain".
post #21 of 30
Thread Starter 

fun on the mountain

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Originally Posted by skiingman
You are all a bunch of whining, complaining, old farts.

That is all I have to say about this.

Gee whiz, kids use bad words. Lets get their instructor fired for not being Mom or Dad and letting them have a good time out on the mountain.

Lets teach the kids at a young age that skiing is a sport for uptight dicks (oooh, I'm so naughty) that have nothing better to do than bitch about how other people are conducting their business.
Actually i mentioned this to a friend who teaches up on the moutnain and he said it comes up quite a bit, that he would make sure this occasion was mentioned. I wish I had done something sooner, as someone mentioned; ti does lose impact as more time passes. I wish I had said something at the time (nicely).

And skiingman actually I think doing nothing and letting them think their behavior is fine and the only people bothered are old farts is a great disservice to them. Kids do need to learn appropriate behavior to negotiate later life succesfully, and letting them know their behavior is out of line is helpful. They can have their own little conversation about all the f'ing old farts without the entire mountain having to hear it (and they would never hear a peep from me or other skiers)
post #22 of 30
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Originally Posted by hobojo
IMO, I think loud profanitiy should be cause to revoke a ticket!

Castration is too good for them. Let's gun them all down too I say
post #23 of 30

My 2 cents

Quote:
Originally Posted by skiingman
You are all a bunch of whining, complaining, old farts.

That is all I have to say about this.

Gee whiz, kids use bad words. Lets get their instructor fired for not being Mom or Dad and letting them have a good time out on the mountain.

Lets teach the kids at a young age that skiing is a sport for uptight dicks (oooh, I'm so naughty) that have nothing better to do than bitch about how other people are conducting their business.

I take offense to the old fart comment. I am by no means an old fart, but I have no desire to hear kids spouting off or screaming anything chair-to-chair when I am trying to enjoy some nature, good turns and fun with my friends. If they want to talk sh*t amongst themselves, that's fine, but why should everyone else have to sit in the middle of their discussion? Do you think they'd do that if their parents were there? NOT! It's rude and I don't care if you are 12 or 70, it's inappropriate behavior in public whether in ski school or on their own. IF I was in the middle of it, I would have said something immediately! And as for your comment, if you don't like the way we conduct business here, you are welcome to leave. Having good ettiquette is not about being uptight, it's about respecting other people and taking in to consideration that it is everybody's mountain and people might want some peace and quiet and have the right to not hear a bunch of foul-mouthed kids on the hill or chairlift.

Phew, I feel better
post #24 of 30
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Originally Posted by SkiMinker
Phew, I feel better
Right.

Now you can realize that the appropriate course of action is to actually SAY SOMETHING to the kids or their instructors at the time it annoys you, rather than bitching about it later on the freaking internet.

The bringing it up on the internet and multiple people suggesting the writing of letters and what not is the ugly, old fart behavior. I'd be annoyed about the kids if I were on the lift too, but I'd either deal with it or talk to them about it....not write a letter to the director of the ski school or some nonsense.

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And skiingman actually I think doing nothing and letting them think their behavior is fine and the only people bothered are old farts is a great disservice to them. Kids do need to learn appropriate behavior to negotiate later life succesfully, and letting them know their behavior is out of line is helpful. They can have their own little conversation about all the f'ing old farts without the entire mountain having to hear it (and they would never hear a peep from me or other skiers)
Yes, I agree. This is why the appropriate action is to SAY SOMETHING to the kids, or to their instructor. Not wait around and bad mouth "those damn kids" on the internet.
post #25 of 30
Thread Starter 

and you might be right

Well I certainly salute the person who always, in the moment, has the appropriate response, never, ever has to think about a course of action, always has the exact, absolutely correct behavior the very minute it is called for.
I am not one of those people.
Yes, if it happens again, I would say something, right there, at the time. I agree that is probably a good course of action. If the instructor was rude, I think writing a letter IS a good idea. If someone over whom I have authority were acting inappropriately, you bet I'd want to know so I could do something.
But, what can I say? I was kind of shocked and was thinking about it and what course of action i'd be comfortable with. As I hoped, I got helpful feedback.
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post #26 of 30
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Originally Posted by montana mags
Well I certainly salute the person who always, in the moment, has the appropriate response, never, ever has to think about a course of action, always has the exact, absolutely correct behavior the very minute it is called for.

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I humbly accept your salutations.
post #27 of 30
If I may quote myself:

"IF I was in the middle of it, I would have said something immediately!"

I did not say it would be the right thing, infact it would probably come out wrong, although the point would be made...just I'd say something, cause that's what I do.
post #28 of 30
When you're a minority, i.e. surrounded by these ill mannered kids, it may be difficult to say something..
All I know is that I hear similar things (adults horrified by foul mouthed kids) on the slopes. I don't know what's happening to our society.
post #29 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by montana mags
Well I certainly salute the person who always, in the moment, has the appropriate response, never, ever has to think about a course of action, always has the exact, absolutely correct behavior the very minute it is called for.
I am not one of those people.
Yes, if it happens again, I would say something, right there, at the time. I agree that is probably a good course of action. If the instructor was rude, I think writing a letter IS a good idea. If someone over whom I have authority were acting inappropriately, you bet I'd want to know so I could do something.
But, what can I say? I was kind of shocked and was thinking about it and what course of action i'd be comfortable with. As I hoped, I got helpful feedback.
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Montana Mags you are the best, I have to ski pow with you sometime.....
post #30 of 30
I usually ski with my young kids (3 & 7), so I wouldn't have let the foul language continue for my kids to hear. I'm not a confrontational person, but when it comes to kids... watch out. : If I had been alone, I probably would've hesistated at the least, maybe even ignored it. Not saying that's ok, just saying I can empathize what the OP went through.

Apart from that, now that we rehearsed the scenario in our heads, hopefully we know how to deal with it 'in the moment' when it happens again. I'm sure it will happen again.
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