EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Member Gear Reviews › Volkl Allstars and Fischer RX8, we switched and compared
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Volkl Allstars and Fischer RX8, we switched and compared - Page 2

post #31 of 51
Wa was better, shoulda skipped the drive.....10th and Conifer were amazing, Hitchcock really good too...very impressive job, still quite a bit of snow left, huge whales on Conifer, Challenger and Ralph's....Wachusett has been great all year. I couldn't be more impressed. They had to knock down the silly homemade bumps on 10th and the terrain park on Hitchcock which made for great conditions on those trails.

We should be good for the end of the week unless there is a hard rain, see ya then!

Re the 170's sell a pair of those 165's and get some 170's...165/170 RX8's..that would be a great eastern quiver. The difference was truly astounding. I hope I have mine to show off for the end of the week. We can swop and compare again. Would like to add your impressions of the 170's to make this thread complete...it is your thread after all

Sorry I poached it:
post #32 of 51
Thread Starter 

Closing out the thread?

I compared 165 and 170 RX8's same year, back and forth on the same conditions (morning spring conditions, loose granular turning soft and softer.)

I was surprised at what a difference there was for only 5 cm. Of course the geometry is different in that the 165 is 13m turn radius and the 170 is 14m.

I actually llked the 170's better, but because of the conditions didn't really do too much in the way of short turns. They blasted through the wet piles and felt a little more stable at speed.
post #33 of 51

165 vs 170 back to back

Once again I was the other swopper, trading my new 170 Fischer RX8's with SMJ for his 165's.

I had even stronger impressions of the 165 vs the 170 RX8's. Until I got tired after 2 hours of very fast, aggresive skiing, I felt the 170's absolutely pulverized some very difficult conditions....warm snow, huge crud piles. Even with these conditions I was able to ski with no speed limit - the 170's just ripped. I don't do radar or gps, but I mean very fast. Getting back on the 165's the sensation was one of being seriously tossed around at times. The difference was mind boggling. I am astounded at the difference 5cm makes in this model. If you are on the fence re size you absolutely must demo(or buy both)

I love my skis

both pair of em:

170 Fischer RX8's and 168 Volkl Allstars

lucky puppy I am!!! Got em all waxed up and ready for November already!

BTW, I also love HYPERZOOM by dominator wax...thanks SMJ! Warm snow, crud piles...spring chop. 170 RX8's and Hyperzoom = no problem!
post #34 of 51
Great reveiws guys with some great insights to think about.
post #35 of 51

New to shaped skis

This is my first year on the RX8s. I had been skiing at an intermediate level (with occasional bursts of higher-level skiing) on '97 Volkl Carvers. Been out 4 days now on the RX8s, including 2 days at ESA Stowe.

The RX8s are MUCH easier to control and turn than the Carvers. Wow! I also had more confidence in the slush and bumps (that is to say I had any at all : ) than those 192cm boards. How much of that is due to the new skis and how much to the excellent training I received is hard to say. Perhaps the combination was synergistic.

The skis definitely like to turn more than the Carvers. I initiate the turn and let the skis finish it. This is a new and very pleasant sensation. The Carvers rocked at high speed on a clean trail, though I sometimes had trouble controlling the speed. Haven't had the RX8s on a long, steep groomer yet, so I can't comment. But the top of Minuteman (blue) at Ski Roundtop is black-diamond steep for about 50-60' and I had no problem carving a couple nice turns and controlling the speed.

Was on some serious hard pack (Pennsylvania packed powder : ) the other night and the edges held nice & tight. The Carvers would sometimes let go a little bit in similar conditions.

These are 170s. I'm 5' 9", 212.

Thanks to HR & SMJ for talking me into the RX8s. I'll see you guys at wa and you can show me how to ski like an expert on these bad boys. :
post #36 of 51

nice play!

MF,

Nice! Told ya....RX 8's rock! I had 191 carvers, thus I was crystal clear you'd be lovin the Fischers.....

btw I just grabbed some 175's w railflex 12's - I expect SMJ is going to have an even harder time catching ol hrstrat57 w his bitty 165 RX 8's

Have a buncha friday wa days planned.....hope to see you there, thatd be huge fun!!!

...could be getting close to a mini eastern bear gathering!!!
post #37 of 51
Thread Starter 
I have been carving be-you-tea-full short turns on those itty bitty 165's. That's why I love them.

Welcome to the world of Fishers marcus, hope to see you on the slopes.

(Let that hr guy go off ahead of us, I'll get more turns for my dollar )
post #38 of 51
One other point: Both testers were 185 lbs. or more. Take that into consideration when considering skis. A ski like the Volkl may be more comfortable for a heavier skier (in my opinion). It is a marvelous ski, but it may be a bit of work for a lighter skier. A lighter skier may find a different ski produces a better, or a least different, result for him/her.
post #39 of 51
Also, the new Allstar is not the same ski as this one! It is much more powerful and beefy... for some, it will be too much.
post #40 of 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by hrstrat57 View Post
of course this means I will likely still be hunting down some mid fats...I do have a line on a sweet deal for some mint Volkl Karmas!!! Put that deal on the back burner....

...for now!
Don't put these on the back burner....If you can get a sweet deal, get them!!! I had concerns about going from my 161cm 6* to a 177cm Karma, but I shouldn't have. In anything other than serious hardpack or ice, I'm riding my Karmas. These skis are the most easy going, versatile, fun skis I've ever ridden!!!

BUY THEM...BUY THEM NOW!!!
post #41 of 51

just a short bump

Finally got to ski all day Friday on the 175 RX 8's....which pretty much proved my goofy theory. Tuned to perfection by my friend SMJ, I anticipated this ride all season. I waited for Wachusett to be 100% open so the test could include what little steep terrain wa has to offer.....thus the test terrain was easy and moderate blue and easy black trails. All groomed consistent good conditions all day long.

I've gotten quite a few pm's from folks on the fence re RX 8 length who have been asking me to post my impressions of the 175....

So here goes.....

___________________


Goofy theory is find a ski you like, ski it in progressively longer lengths and buy the length that is most comfortable at your comfortable speed limit.

Translation....

The 175 is real nice, but only slightly different in feel for me from the 170. Ski'd SMJ's 165's again and it is a completely different beast from the 175(or my 170) - wants to short turn all the time and fusses when you try to tell it otherwise......

surprise and not the expected outcome?

The 175 is the easiest to ski of the 3. Capable of huge round high speed arcs, yet easily pressured into the same shortswing turns as the 170 and almost as quick in shortswing as the 165. I liked it a lot and felt I ski'd nicely on them all day. I had the railflex binding in the forward position, which was perfect.....no plans to experiment, perfect.

My specs are 6' about 185lbs.....if you are the same specs and considering either the 170 or 175 RX 8 my advice is simply purchase whichever you get the better price on....you will smile huge either way. Scrap plans to buy a 165 if you are my specs, compared to the 170/175 she is a one trick pony.....

Now I want to try a pair of 180's:
post #42 of 51
Thread Starter 
Agree with HR, and didn't think I would. I LOVE my 165's and they do make GS turns, but the 175's were more stable, less tip wobble and perfectly comfortable making short turns. Me 192 lbs. 5' 9 1/2". Strong skier.

The 170's probably are the length to go with, but I'd be happy on the 175's.
post #43 of 51

What about for a 150-160 pounder

So, if you guys were in the 150-160 lb range and 5'10" would you still be saying the 170? I'm thinking for this weight range the 165 would be equivalent to your 170... hope i'm not far off... ???

Thank you in advance.
post #44 of 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by spielerman View Post
So, if you guys were in the 150-160 lb range and 5'10" would you still be saying the 170? I'm thinking for this weight range the 165 would be equivalent to your 170... hope i'm not far off... ???

Thank you in advance.
Hi spielerman,

My thoughts are your RX 8 obsession demo list would be 160, 165 and 170...vs my 165, 170, 175.....

I'd ask 160 lb skiers to chime in tho....defin check dawgcatchings review of the RX 8 posted recently memory serves me correctly he is about your size.
(good place to get a sweet deal on RX 8 too like marcusfire recently did)

My central point is the RX 8 (and I now suspect many skis ) is extremely length sensitive with regards to producing the smile factor. My smiles got bigger as the ski got longer. YMMV of course.

I would love to see you try them all and post your observations here to nicely round out the thread.
post #45 of 51
I concur with checking out dawgcatching for a deal. I got the 170s.

Still think I liked my old 191cm Volkl Carvers better at high speed, but I'm 215 pounds.

The 170s are a dream all over the mountain for me and I don't regret going that short. I use the short turn radius to keep the speed in check on the steeps.
post #46 of 51
I acquired a pair of two year old RX8s (bright orange color) at a swap in Oct. They are 175cm, I'm 5'10" and 170. Because of the good value, I took a chance on the length, which conventional wisdom would say is too long. I've been waiting to get a fair amount of slopetime with them before final judgement. I'm now ready to say that I luv 'em. Surprising on the length because I'm more of a mellow cruiser, than a particularly aggressive skier at my age - 53, (40yrs skiing). Definitely improved my continuing efforts to move from partial skidding to all carving. They are a confidence builder on hardpack. They have encouraged me to ski faster on groomers than I have in a long time-for better or for worse. They don't feel squirrely even when straightlining at recreational speeds. I had previously demoed a pair of 175cm RX9s last winter and loved them. I grew up with longer skis. These 175cm RX8s are the shortest I've ever used regularly, so that is also probably a factor in my comfort with the longer length?
I guess my findings corroborate HR57s.
post #47 of 51
Interesting jamesj. I need to ski the 170 and the 175 same day back to back to determine if there is a signif difference between those 2 lengths.....would also like to ride the 180 as well.

The diff between the 165 and the 175 ski'd on the same day was amazing...totally different beast.

My theory is being proven in my mind.....find a ski or a couple of skis you like that fit your personality and prfrd turn shape and pace you like most on the hill. Then ski that ski in at least 3 lengths, 1 up and 1 down from what you might expect.

For me at this point the 175 rules the RX 8 roost. As I said in my allstar first impressions review thread last year, I would have bought the 165 RX 8's as a first choice for that model. That would have been a mistake for me....I like to ski fast and big...the 165 is not my steed.

Try out my theory....I suspect it will enable you to maximize your smiles
post #48 of 51
Thread Starter 
Well I would have had more opinions on this if we hadn't gotten stuck in a motel in Denver yesterday because of road conditions and Vail Pass being closed.

Just got in, two day journey. Skiing on the 175's tomorrow.
post #49 of 51
Not good.

Worse for me I tweaked my knee Thursday morning walking the poodle on ice in the yard....my bad not smart, just before he yanked the leash I was thinking how dumb I was being. Didn't want to let him go and have him get hurt. Instead poodle boy got me!!

Hopefully my season isn't over. It isn't swollen, and nothing popped.....but moving pretty slow at the moment.

Planned trip to wa tomorrow off....

Enjoy my skis without me
post #50 of 51
Thread Starter 
Damn, I hope your knee is OK. Knowing you, you're taking your antiinflammatories. I am a HUGE believer in doing a week of full or a bit higher than full dose Motrin (or advil.)

I can't wait to ski your 175's on the long runs here at Vail.

Take care my friend and get well, some great ski days together in March for us!
post #51 of 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
Damn, I hope your knee is OK. Knowing you, you're taking your antiinflammatories. I am a HUGE believer in doing a week of full or a bit higher than full dose Motrin (or advil.)

I can't wait to ski your 175's on the long runs here at Vail.

Take care my friend and get well, some great ski days together in March for us!
Can't wait to read your further impressions of my 175 Fischer RX 8's here when you bump this (your) thread.....and I get to read your trip reports re Vail.

So I can feel really, really sorry for myself
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Member Gear Reviews
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Member Gear Reviews › Volkl Allstars and Fischer RX8, we switched and compared