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Ski Boot Suggestions

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
What ski boots would be good for freeskiing?? (need something responsive, quick, comfy and warm - something for those minus 20 degrees C and colder weather) The terrain I ski is steeps, soft snow, hard snow when there isn't enough of the good stuff, and I ski very fast and aggresively. Any suggestions? (I know fit matters most, just hammer out the suggestions)

I was looking at Raichle Flexons, and I've heard of the Flexon T and the Flexon T Pro, but all I've seen in shops and on their website is the Flexon T, is there really a Pro model???
post #2 of 23
You need to describe your foot : high arch?narrow or wide over all ? wide fore foot or average? skinny ankles ?on and on and on .If a boot is too big then no support and nil on response and if it is to tight then no circulation and cold feet even spring skiing. What boots have fit you the best in the past?
post #3 of 23
Thread Starter 
My skiing career has been rather short (I'm only 16 yrs old, well, 17 in a few months), have only owned 1 pair of boots since I used to always rent ( : ) since boots were expensive and my feet kept growing. The ones I have now are Lange F7s, the fit isn't half bad but I bought them at a ski swap, so I didn't really spend much time trying on boots, these ones really packed out more than I expected, and when skiing I find they shift around a bit. I have about average width feet, narrow ankles, pretty high arch.

I might just end up getting footbeds and punching out these boots in a few places, but I want to check out some other boots as well.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ October 21, 2001 01:38 PM: Message edited 2 times, by Mike B ]</font>
post #4 of 23
Lange has been traditionaly a low volume boot ,untill they came out with the frame series which you have ,by normal standards they are average.But from what you stated they got too loose (packed down) ,but you think they need to be steched. Where are they loose and where are they tight?Also when you bought them at the sale ,did any one do a shell fit,it sounds like you might have gotten a size too large in a boot with too low of volume for your foot . To do a shell fit pullout the liner and put your foot inside the shell so the toes just touch the front of the boot and ck heel to boot should be about 3/4 inch.As far as warm feet,several things proper boot fit ,No cotton socks (wool or another wicking fiber)cover your head and wear gloves.If you feet are still cold try boot heaters like Hotronics.
post #5 of 23
Thread Starter 
No one did a shell fit, and the only place they are tight is along the side of the foot (on the right foot only).
post #6 of 23
Here's another thought. If the boots are tight around the forefoot but seem to be ok everywhere else, try a very slim "shim" under the footbed. maybe 1/16 or 3/32" (maybe cardboard like from a shoe box) cut to the shape of the footbed. A lot of times we pull out the standard bed and put a custom one in that is thinner. The boot last gets a little wider up higher and if it is only pressing on the outside of the forefoot, maybe your foot is just sitting down in the narrower part of the boot.
post #7 of 23
dothe shell fit and let us know how much room is behind the heel.
post #8 of 23
Instead of us guessing what boot might be appropriate for your foot/uses/level, may I suggest you get to one of the Master Bootfitters listed on another thread and give that person as much skiing info as you can about yourself, then let him/her help you. You won't regret it!
post #9 of 23
After swapping liners from new Nordicas to old ones I discovered that Outlast is super warm. I wouldn't be without it. I don't know if anyone else uses it. I have a "Nordica foot". [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #10 of 23
Go to Sport check, buy the L10's that are on sale then go elsewhere and have beds made and the boot fitted.
Go to the ski stores, find out what fits, then go to sport check and buy them for about half the cost!
post #11 of 23
Or go to Sport Mart and for $200 get these http://forum.powdermag.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000627.html
post #12 of 23
If you're just after a few brand suggestions, try the Nordica W 10.2's. Sweet boot but like everyone has said...doesn't matter how sweet the boot is, if it's not the right one for your foot type, you'll be hatin' life!
post #13 of 23
So JoCanadian,

Let me get this straight. What you are advising is to take advantage of a bootfitter's EXPERTISE and TIME to fit Mike B properly. Not only that, you are taking advantage of a dedicated ski store that has to pay for the overhead of stocking a wide selection of boots from different manufacturers and in different sizes--THEN your advice is to screw the ski store and the bootfitter over by going to sport chek to buy the boots more cheaply. Right?? This is just plain wrong. Unethical.

I see from your profile that you are a 'remote sensing scientist.' I assume you consider your extensive training and experience to be of intrinsic value. Why would you think any less of a ski shop bootfitter?

Of course no one is holding a gun to your head. But I hope that you understand that it's NOT OK to do this. I don't want to hear "oh, good bootfitters charge so much and I can't afford it, so why can't I just go buy the boots someplace else for less?" Good bootfitters charge more for their experience and service. If price is an issue, buy in the off-season (but knowing that the model/size you want is not in stock) or else suck it up and take your chances at a big chain store or on ebay.

Or else tell the bootfitter up front that you'd like them to take the time to fit you but that you're going to buy the boots someplace else (if you don't think this is wrong, then you shouldn't have any trouble with this, right? )
post #14 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the advice, tonight I'm heading up to Techno Sport on 17th Ave, I hear they're the best bootfitters in Calgary. I'll tell ya'll how that goes.
post #15 of 23
Thread Starter 
Well I went to Techno Sport, tried on some boots, but didn't do any extensive fitting because we arrived 15 min before closing time. I tried on some Raichle Flexon T's, no way am I gonna buy those, they look like great but they don't fit my feet at all. I'll try on more boots in a few days... [img]smile.gif[/img]

Oh yah Sport Check, no, it's not happening. As for price, it's all good hehe ( ) , I'm poor but not THAT poor...

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ October 24, 2001 08:40 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Mike B ]</font>
post #16 of 23
True, you have to get something that you'll be happy with but those boots in the Powder link retailed for $600-700can when current. Were from 99-00 model year and were Nordica's top of the line. Actually may be to top of the line for you but does have adjustable flex. Spend the $300 you save on a day of cat skiing and beer.
post #17 of 23
Mike , you went to one of the best places in Calgary to buy boots from , Tom (the owner)cares about what he is doing for his customers and has alot experience. I've known him for years and he will stand behind what he sells . He also has the respect of the local equip. reps.
post #18 of 23
Mr. Tai,
You have a point, I would always give the opportunity to price match, and I let them know that the boot is cheaper elsewhere. Consumer education is not immoral. As for the mom and pop sob story of profitability, they have enough first time skiers with deep pockets buying retail priced ski suits and overpriced intermediate boards, that I do not feel sorry for them.
Frankly, The only thing i visit a specialty shop for is tuning. Getting people into the shop is the hard part getting them to stay is easy, just be competitive.
Paying Retail is Unethical!
post #19 of 23
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JoCanadian:
Getting people into the shop is the hard part getting them to stay is easy, just be competitive.
Paying Retail is Unethical!

I'm a huge bargain shopper, but I learned the hard way, when it comes to boots I'm willing to pay what it takes, and to pay for the service I receive. No-one pays retail, but I will and do pay the 20% or so markdown that retail places offer.

I made the same mistake our young friend did, bought a pair of Lange's that were too big and packed out. At that point, I was totally screwed, no money for new boots, and I just suferred for a couple of years. When I could afford to buy again, I bought at a store with decent boot fitters. I loved the boots, but ended up having a lot of fit problems (too small this time!) and they did very right by me.

The extra $100 or evn $200 bucks you might save is not worth it in my book, only a few days of lift tickets compared to the pain, discomfort, and poor performance you can go through not working with a qualified fitter that will stand behind the fit.

So that's my expereince -- feel free to scrimp and save on everything else, but be willing to buck up for boots.

And I agree btw, that if you are going to work with a bootfitter, you should give them the chance for your business, and be willing to pony up a little something extra for it. Its not playing fair to get a bunch of free advice and then turn around and buy it somewhere else to save a few bucks. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't shop, just that you should be willing to give some extra consideration for the guy's time. Without the local reatilers who have to carry much higher costs of business, we'd all be a lot worse off.

But that's not really the point, because it is the aftersales support that is really crucial from a bootfitter, more than the initial fit, in my expereince.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ October 25, 2001 10:28 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Lodro ]</font>
post #20 of 23
Thread Starter 
Well, I decided on a pair of boots, some Rossignol Carve ZX's (they're almost the exact same as the Race 2, I don't know what the dif is, same mould, same flex, maybe cushier liner?? They're also orange) Anyhow these boots fit my foot better than any other I've ever had or tried on, very comfy . Just gotta pick em up on monday (bank card has too small limit, gotta get the funds together).

For comparison I tried on Tecnicas, Lange Banshee 9s (which were s**t, waay to soft, no torsional stiffness) and some Nordicas (as well as the Flexons but they didn't fit my foot).

edit: The Carve ZX's are just a bit softer than the Race 2's (after checkin their site)

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ October 25, 2001 02:52 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Mike B ]</font>
post #21 of 23
Cogratulations Mike B ,It sounds like you selected a boot the right way by useing a boot fitter. I Orginaly saw your your line while it sat there with no response for a while and wanted to help, it seems that was the impetus to start some dialogues.If you could do me a favor< do the shell fit on your F-7 for me and let me know how much room there is from heel to the back of the boot shell with your toe touching the front I have been a boot fitter for a while and want to see if my suspcions were right. Snojock, you recomended the W 10.2 Nordicas,I tried them on at SIA last year and they felt real responsive , but I have not talked to a non-Nordica rep who has ridden them ,have you? and if so what about them?
post #22 of 23
Thread Starter 
DONDA, I am selling the F-7s at a ski swap, they are already gone, but the Rossis are 2 (!) shell sizes smaller (yah, the fit on the Langes was THAT bad). Anyhow I am pumped about the Rossis, haven't bought em yet, but have em on hold, but the fit is GREAT, feel very responsive on my feet, with excellent hold. The only thing I'm concerned about is the flex index on the Carve ZX boots, it's adjustable between 90/80, they felt kinda soft in the store, but they should stiffen up on the hill (the cold). One thing I noticed about the Rossis was the excellent torsional stability, so it should be aight. Thanks for the help and suggestions, I am definitely pumped about these new boots
post #23 of 23
JoCanadian is a wee bit hasty in recommending the L10. The L10 is a very stiff boot and you want all-day, all-mountain freeskiing comfort. The L10 is NOT the boot for that.

If you have problems only with pressure on the sides of your feet, sounds like you need some good arch and ankle stabilization. I'd bet that when your arch & ankle are supported & stabilized, your side-foot pressure will disappear.

Don't go punching the shells. Get a footbed.
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