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post #31 of 96
Idiot lifties who hold back a fixed grip chair so that it comes to a stop when you are getting on, then it accelerates then swings back and your ski tails get stuck in the snow and the safety bar comes crashing down.
post #32 of 96
1. That one guy who yelled "Watch out behind me!" while in a wedge. What a fool...

2. People who ski/board onto the tails of my skis in lift lines. I don't buy nice skis or spend time tuning them so that you can screw up my topsheets. This especially applies to boarders who hit their boards down on my skis, with considerable force, to dislodge snow. I look backward a lot to discourage this, but it sometimes becomes necessary to do a little snow-clearing of my own when their skis are on top of mine, which usually knocks the person over.

3. People who don't alternate in lift lines.

4. Getting yelled at by beginners because I skied within a half-mile of them while carving at normal speeds.
post #33 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnH
Ski areas that give the same trail 3 different names (upper X, Middle X and Lower X) because it has two cross trails, thereby artifically inflating the trail count
I think there is a functional reason for this practice - on bigger hills there is often the need for more specific trail locations if you need to dispatch emergency help. I once rode up a chairlift with an older and a newbie paroller and the old guy was quizzing the young guy on trail names for just that reason.

I agree with you though, that it seems rather sketchy practice to create run names for things like connector trails that aren't really individual runs.
post #34 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle crud
1) people who ask about pet peeves
2) people who expect skiing to be "luxurious"
3) people who forget that skiing is dangerous, and try to blame others when they're injured of their own accord
4) people who demand that ski hills be more "developed" with things that don't have much to do with sliding dowhill on a board or sticks.
^ What he said. Also:

5) People who lower the "safety" bar before your feet leave the ground or while you are still getting yourself settled
post #35 of 96
The growing trend of getting well into the lift maze then waiting for friends to catch up disrupting the flow of traffic.

Group up outside of the maze!!!
post #36 of 96
Resorts that *don't* have ski checks at their bases. I'm not expecting there to be a manned ski check at lodges on top of the lifts, but anything near a parking lot or road should have one. They can think about it this way: I'm more likely to go inside for lunch and spend $$$ on their overpriced food if I know that my skis are safe.
post #37 of 96
Wow, these are some good ones -- you guys have covered most of my gripes. Some others:

1) why do all ski lodges have ridiculous sets of stairs, either inside or outside, sometimes both? You'd think they'd be more conscientious of the thousands of people walking around in ski boots.

2) idiots who cannot get on/off the lift properly, sometimes taking down other (good) skiers in the process

3) kids who are tearing up the hill while their parents are nowhere to be found
post #38 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by trekchick
What He said!
I'm goin with that too. I've got a lot of peeves but I'm going to leave them out of skiing. As long as I'm on the hill and the snow is good I could care less about almost anything.
post #39 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by skier219
Wow, these are some good ones -- you guys have covered most of my gripes. Some others:

1) why do all ski lodges have ridiculous sets of stairs, either inside or outside, sometimes both? You'd think they'd be more conscientious of the thousands of people walking around in ski boots.
Ski areas are generally built on or near sloped ground

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2) idiots who cannot get on/off the lift properly, sometimes taking down other (good) skiers in the process
If you are good enough they won't be able to take you down, I can't remember the last time I fell getting on or off a lift, but I have had to take drastic actions or step over bodies.

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3) kids who are tearing up the hill while their parents are nowhere to be found
Ummm, yeah, that was me 20 years ago (kid tearing up the hill that is)
post #40 of 96
Some of my peeves...
  1. Thredbo (Australia) brags about having 13 lifts but they haven't run one of them (Ramshead double) for over 4 years to my knowledge!
  2. Fernie (BC - Canada) "smart lockers" in the rental shop/day lodge... they have two sizes, one is $CN5 and the other is $CN3. You're flat out to fit a packet of cigarettes & the lighter in the $3 locker! (slight exaggeration but you get my drift).
  3. Snowboarders who (not wanting to wait any longer than necessary in a lift queue), slide into the queue, sit down and proceed start to unbuckle, adjust goggles and/or remove gloves.
  4. Smoking or extremely loud talking in the lift line!
post #41 of 96
  1. Smoking or extremely loud talking in the lift line!
I second that. I was on with two kids and as one started to light up (almost lit) he said 'do you mind if I smoke' and I looked straight at him and replied 'YES'.

He didn't light up.


Dave
post #42 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnH
Non skiers, (chapperones or parents) who bring their skiing kids to the mountain and consume an entire cafeteria table meant for 6-8 people, so that they can spread out their knitting or newspaper, then walk away and expect that the table is theirs for the entire day, and when they come back after being away for at least 30 minutes to find you sitting at it eating your lunch and have moved their stuff to one side, they either look at you like they have been violated or give you a hard time. They'll even do this if you are in uniform!:
Or...anyone who "claims" a table with boot bags, gear bags etc. then head out to ski. My policy is if you're not sitting there and there are no other open tables, it's available. Don't come back and complain to me this table is "saved". I'll move anybody's stuff and sit down.
post #43 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiski
Ski areas are generally built on or near sloped ground
Which is why I think they could do a better job engineering their stairs. Make them wider, with bigger treads, shallower angles, etc... What is most efficient in terms of space may be OK for street shoes, but it's not optimal for ski boots.


Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiski
If you are good enough they won't be able to take you down, I can't remember the last time I fell getting on or off a lift, but I have had to take drastic actions or step over bodies.
Let me tell you what happened to me yesterday. From the lift corral, the liftie picked me (single) and three others to fill a quad. We ski up to the boarding area. The preceding chair comes around and I follow it to the loading line. Other dumbasses wait too long, then ski in front of the chair as it rotates around the bullwheel. Now, there is a chair coming at me that is loaded with three morons all discombobulated, tangled together, and taking up the full width of the chair. I ended sitting on top of a fat old lady when the chair caught up to me (there was no time to move). After the lifties hit the stop button, I stood up and waited while the idiots played twister for about 30 seconds.

Getting off the lift, I always make a point to be first off and moving fast to outrun potential wrestling matches.
post #44 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by skier219

Let me tell you what happened to me yesterday. From the lift corral, the liftie picked me (single) and three others to fill a quad. We ski up to the boarding area. The preceding chair comes around and I follow it to the loading line. Other dumbasses wait too long, then ski in front of the chair as it rotates around the bullwheel. Now, there is a chair coming at me that is loaded with three morons all discombobulated, tangled together, and taking up the full width of the chair. I ended sitting on top of a fat old lady when the chair caught up to me (there was no time to move). After the lifties hit the stop button, I stood up and waited while the idiots played twister for about 30 seconds.

Getting off the lift, I always make a point to be first off and moving fast to outrun potential wrestling matches.
Any cameras there? That should make the next Warren Miller movie!
post #45 of 96
Oh, and the toilet paper. You could use that stuff to perform a base grind on your skis.

LMAO
post #46 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by northeasterner
Oh, and the toilet paper. You could use that stuff to perform a base grind on your skis.

LMAO
that's what they use to "tune" the rental skis!
post #47 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by northeasterner
Oh, and the toilet paper. You could use that stuff to perform a base grind on your skis.

LMAO
That's the Arnold Schwartzeniger TP..."Tough and rough and won't take shit off'a nobody."
post #48 of 96

Peeves

1. Single Line abuse.

It's a single line in order to expedite the crowd most efficiently. Don't screw it up by going on that line with your friend. Yes, I know the 2 of you will go "individually" once at the front of the line, but it really pisses me off to see a good 1/3 of the line are actually "doubles" and in some cases GROUPS.

There should be a sign: If you even remotely know the person in front of you or in back of you, then you do not belong on this line. (Yeah, as if they'd listen to this.)

2. Lounge chair savers.

There are about 15 wooden lounge type chairs at the base of the lodge. Yesterday I really needed to sit down for a few minutes as I was kind of dehydrated and dizzy. The seats that had no people were being "saved." This is so selfish. I did find the one available seat and when I left in 10 minutes the seat savers had not returned yet. Selfish.

3. Smokers around the outside lounge area.

Come on smokers, give us a break!!! When we ski, as with any exercise, our cardiovascular systems are in full-swing, ultra-sensitive to air intake and smell. It's torture breathing cigarette or pipe or cigar smoke at these times. Would you light your cigarette in the gym? Give me a break! Yesterday I turned my head because I was choking on someone's cigar smoke. I heard him say, "Why does everbody keep turning around?" To that, I wanted to reply: Well, I can't speak for everybody but I turned around to see the jackass who could possibly this self-centered and inconsiderate.
post #49 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCJIM
1. Single Line abuse.

It's a single line in order to expedite the crowd most efficiently. Don't screw it up by going on that line with your friend. Yes, I know the 2 of you will go "individually" once at the front of the line, but it really pisses me off to see a good 1/3 of the line are actually "doubles" and in some cases GROUPS.
You hit on a good one. We'll have 3-4 people go theough the singles line, then when the first one gets to the front, hee'll say "we're all together". It pisses me off even more when the lifites just allow it as if nothing is wrong. I've yelled at people, including the lifties for this.

Another violation of it that I've seen is when the first of the group gets to the front of the singles line, then the liftie call him out, his buddies just come along with him and they all take a chair to themselves.:
post #50 of 96
Wow, I'm surprised this one hasn't come up yet: My pet peeve is equipment (skis and boards) in the lodge. EVERY single place I've been to has a sign that says "No skis or boards inside the lodge". Evidently there are a lot of people that can't read these days, because EVERY time I go skiing, I have to step around someone's equipment propped against the door, laying on the floor, etc. And I'm not talking about people carring around rental equipment. Leave the stuff outside (especially if it's covered with snow!) and/or get a lock.
I'm very surprised that the hills do not enforce this rule.

Another peeve: Clusters of people "meeting" at the lift exit.
post #51 of 96

Pet Peeves

Peeves: Ski areas that lie about closures etc.
Snowboarders that sit across the off ramp area of a lift "Yell watch your fingers" and ski through
Crowds - 98%of the time I don't ski on Holidays or Sat. too too crowded-no fun


Plusssss: Ski midweek, ski Northern Idaho midweek, ski a run in early AM top to bottom and never pass another human being. Jumping off a cornice into wind blown powder that you know is there.
post #52 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnH
You hit on a good one. We'll have 3-4 people go theough the singles line, then when the first one gets to the front, hee'll say "we're all together". It pisses me off even more when the lifites just allow it as if nothing is wrong. I've yelled at people, including the lifties for this.

Another violation of it that I've seen is when the first of the group gets to the front of the singles line, then the liftie call him out, his buddies just come along with him and they all take a chair to themselves.:
That is totally understandable (I've never seen our lifties here do that, but I'd be pissed, too.) But being pissed because a group decides to split up into the singles line? Singles line isn't a reward for going skiing alone - it's a method of filling up chairs that aren't full with people willing to ride the lift with strangers.

We were in a big line a week or so ago with a single guy in the row in front of us in the lineup. He was approaching the front of the line, and there were three of us (for a quad) and we asked "are you a single?" - and he got really pissed - "What am I, BLIND - the singles line is over there, I'm obviously waiting for people!" (20 seconds from boarding the lift and his family comes barging through the lift line...) Oh, you're right, we were the rude ones for asking. :
post #53 of 96
Well most all of the above especially if it has anything to do with general rudeness.

In these days of remote parking lots and small or non-existant skier drop-off areas, having to change into your clothes or boots in the muddy parking lots.

Those who totally ignore control signs on the hill, and rip through slow areas. (Usually a boarder of a person who is hauling on a totally flat ski)

Collisions

Talking on the cell phone and holding up lift line to dial.
post #54 of 96

Wrong

Quote:
Originally Posted by altagirl
But being pissed because a group decides to split up into the singles line? Singles line isn't a reward for going skiing alone - it's a method of filling up chairs that aren't full with people willing to ride the lift with strangers.
Where did you learn that that was the purpose of the singles line? I doubt it. I wouldn't say it's a reward either; it's just that it's the most efficient method of accommodating groups and singles simulatenously.

In a well-structured lift line, the lift people are choreographing the movement so that groups are accommodated, and the single person too. It's an effective system.

That person you described was rude but that has nothing to do with the subject. The single line is for individual skiers going up.

If people respected that, the chairs would fill up much more effectively.

And there wouldn't be any confusion. By your logic there shouldn't be a single line at all then. If groups can jam that line, why not just jam any other?
post #55 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCJIM
If people respected that, the chairs would fill up much more effectively.

And there wouldn't be any confusion. By your logic there shouldn't be a single line at all then. If groups can jam that line, why not just jam any other?
I have no idea where you got that out of what I said.


From what I see - chairs are filled up very effectively whether the people who choose to enter the singles line and fill up empty spots on a chair are members of a split up group or are out for a day by themselves. If you're in the singles line trying to get on a chair with another specific person - that's rude and it's a problem, and I can see how it would disrupt things if it were allowed. I just don't see that happening - our lifties wouldn't allow it.

I NEVER suggested that a group in the singles line should even consider trying to ride together. Just that if they want to split up and ride as individuals, filling up empty spots in other groups - who cares?? For lift line efficiency, it doesn't make any difference WHO is in the singles line, as long as they understand their responsibility there is to round out other groups.
post #56 of 96
I agree with altagirl, I saw this throughout the week when I was in Whistler in early January... groups who jump into the "singles" queue and then expect to ride together when they get to the front.

As I mentioned in another thread, I once saw two guys "split" (both calling out single) when their friends arrived at a lift that had an hour wait! Suffice to say, others in the queue were none too pleased and one guy ejected the whole group from the said lift line. Sometimes justice is metered out in the queue by Joe Public
post #57 of 96
Another pet peeve:

Resorts being "creative" with their ticket refund rules.

Once I was in Tigne (France) in December when it just rained and rained and rained. Skiing was an absolute impossibility, made even more so by sustained gale force winds. However, the resort resolved to keep one (completely deserted) quad running, thus escaping its obligation to refund lift tickets.........aaaargh! The rules actually stated that as long as a lift was running the resort wasn't obliged to refund....easy money!
post #58 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by altagirl
I have no idea where you got that out of what I said.


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Well, you’re saying that you don’t see anything wrong with groups of people taking the single’s line as long as they ride individually when they get to the front.

And I’m saying that type of thinking jams the single’s line so that a single individual actually has to wait LONGER standing in the single’s line than if he just went to another line. In fact, by mid afternoon when enough people abuse the single line, it becomes attractive for a single skier to NOT use the line.

And then what you have really is just long, confusing lines all around. The “group” lines become inundated with singles who (understandably) don’t want to wait on the ridiculously long single’s line. This slows down the overall line as the lifties have more trouble sorting people out.

It’s simple: Keep the single line for single skiers. Keep the group lines for groups of 2, 3, and 4. Four people ride together and expedite the line. Three people, also, easily move along as the liftie directs a single to join them. Two rapidly move along as well as the liftie directs two more to go with them.

But your thinking makes for overall chaos. The individual line is for individual skiers, not for groups of people to say, “Oh, we’ll go as a group but we’ll ride the lift individually. We just don’t feel like waiting on a group line.” This makes it confusing all around.

It’s not difficult: 1 on this line. 2, 3, 4, on that line. Case closed.

I bet when you go to the express checkout, you give 10 items to your boyfriend and 10 for yourself, all to make the “15” items or less line?
post #59 of 96
I'm hesitant to express and opinion here -- but here goes - on the issue of people using the singles line who are not skiing by themselves (but loading properly not playing games and trying to get together).

I think for optimal loading of the lifts it doesn't matter if people in the singles line are skiing together (but willing to fill an empty slot on a chair) or if they are people skiing alone. Having a constant supply of singles keeps the whole mass moving up the mountain faster by filling every vacant seat. In my experience, there are not enough people skiing alone to fill every vacant spot on every chair. If only solo skiers were in the singles line a lot of chairs would go up with empty seats (as they do on most non-crowded days).

When the main line gets long enough some groups decide to forego riding with their friends and instead fill vacant spots hoping that line will move faster. The vast majority of people still choose to stand in the main line as the "cost" of extra time in line for the benefit of staying together is worth it for them. Even when this makes the singles line look very long it still moves faster than the long main line. This action actually speeds the overall line up -- some people are removing themselves from the main line and instead filling what would be vacant chairs. On a crowded day the fill rate goes up as people become willing to ride apart from their friends and fill the vacant seats. If only people truely skiing alone got in the singles line there would be a shortage of singles to fill vacant seats and chairs could go up not full -- slowing everyone down.

Now I can understand that if you often ski solo you get used to pretty immediate lift access in the single line and it is frustrating when suddenly there is a long singles line - and it can feel really long if you are used to no line. I feel that way about the main line - I ski in all weather, early and late season too -- and I just cringe when I see a mid-winter mid-day sunny warm Saturday line. However, I have never seen anything like NYCJIM mentions of a singles line being longer that the main line so that actual solo skiers are moving into the main line to get up faster (that would be a bunch of people with no spacial/math/common sense flocking like sheep to a singles line that is slower than a main line! Sounds like a mountian I'd stay away from). I'm not a big fan of riding the singles line (as I like to talk on the lift) but my husband likes to sometimes. So, each time I do it I eyeball where I would have been in the main line and I've never seen a time, even with a very long singles line, where there singles line was not faster (or at least never a time I chose to do it - I guess it could happen but not to me).

Maybe the singles line should be re-named the "willing to ride with strangers" line but I don't see it called the "skiing alone and only alone" line.

If you get into who is really with who distinctions it raises all sorts of other issues. If I'm a pair in the line for a quad and I see a pair in front of me and we join up in the line and make 4 (sliding myself up a row in line) -- this also deprives two singles of spots on that chair and moves up the people behind me in my line one slot (but not the line next to me). Is that a bad thing? Can groups not form in line? Do you need to stay with who you started with? What if two pairs of friends run into each other and form a quad. What if two solo skiers who are friends run into each other in the singles line and decide to ski the next run together -- should they move to the main line since now they aren't skiing solo.

I think the issue is maximizing the fill rate on the chairs not who is with or who knows who.
post #60 of 96
Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCJIM
I bet when you go to the express checkout, you give 10 items to your boyfriend and 10 for yourself, all to make the “15” items or less line?
No, but thanks for playing. And not that it matters, but I'm married.



I guess I'd have to ski somewhere where there was actually a problem with the singles line to understand why this whole debate about groups splitting up would be an issue. Here - if there is almost no singles line, people will split up in the singles line and fill the chairs if the main line is long. If the singles line is really long and the other line isn't, singles will group up in the main line. The lifties wouldn't allow people in the singles line to try and form their own groups and disrupt the flow of the line and it all works out pretty well.
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