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What to get for 2nd ski

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
So now I have the Rossi T vpr S and I am sure it will be a great ski for my style on most days. But what about those magical days where it just dumped 18 inches. I would like to have a second ski in the "quiver" as one poster put it and with prices so cheap right now, why not grab a pair. But what to get. Want something that will ski the wide open back bowls and powder covered groomed runs with ease. No real aggressive stuff, just fun turning with beach boys floating thru my brain. Also, if it could do well in powdery bumps, that would be a definite plus. Thinking of the Bandit XX, Axis X, Intuitive 74. Any thoughts or suggestions. I'm going to Mammoth next week and if it snows (I can always dream) I want to demo a few skis. I've read most of the posts here, but don't feel these exact qualities were addressed. I'm a very good skier overall, but powder is not my strength. 5'11" 165 lbs
Thanks
Dan
post #2 of 24
Good move on the Rossi T-Power Viper S, bump Man! The three models you have listed are maybe related, but the Dynastar Intuitiv 74 sounds like closer to what you want. But better yet, only from what I've read, the old Volant Chubb sounds like that great powder ski you seek - but they're no longer manufactured. Try ebay, or hang out in the classified section here and on other sites and let it be known that you want the Chubbs. As for the T-Powers, the conditions today were dust-on-crust, damn-near-ice, and ice, and the T-Powers were just the ticket. More on that later on another thread.
post #3 of 24
Fischer Big Stix 74, priced incredibly well at www.telemarkpyrenees.com

fat and powerful enough for Sierra Cement, but not a handful in the groomed
post #4 of 24
201 Stoeckli Asteroids
post #5 of 24
The Fischer 74 mentioned by Gonzo is a good ski. I own a pair of them. They compare well with the Bandit XX of last year. A bit stiffer.
post #6 of 24
Go with the dynastar 74, the others may end up being too stiff for what youre looking for. I havent skied midfats much in a very long time but i remember the rossi XX being fairly stiff and more difficult to ski than a ski like my Xscreams. I have heard the dynastars are softer and ski much easier than other midfats out there.
Later
GREG
post #7 of 24
Any of the 3 that you mentioned will be fine, but remember that the fatter the better!
post #8 of 24
OK, this possibly qualifies as my worst attempt at advice yet (OK, that is not up for debate, I'm sure some of you have read worse advice from me), but I read the title of the thread "What to get for 2nd ski" and the obvious answer is: the same as your first ski, that way you have what we in the trade call a "pair of skis", which is what most people use, one for your right foot and one for your left.

Hope this helps,


S
post #9 of 24
Get Fat!
post #10 of 24
Don't go fat....the slow edge-to-edge will drive you crazy on groomers & moguls. Look at the Bandit XX & Mod X. Both do well in crud & heavy snows. Both can be ventured into the moguls but don't expect to ski them like you Viper S's.
post #11 of 24
SHREDHEAD,

where in Chicago does one ski with FATS?

for that matter, where in Chicago does one ski?

bah!

I guess I'm not used to hearing advice given by one who resides in the flatlands, many miles from big mountains that would entice one to use FATS.

I guess I'm learning something new today.
post #12 of 24
Chubbs work very well at Mammoth.
post #13 of 24
Thread Starter 
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wear the fox hat ?:
OK, this possibly qualifies as my worst attempt at advice yet (OK, that is not up for debate, I'm sure some of you have read worse advice from me), but I read the title of the thread "What to get for 2nd ski" and the obvious answer is: the same as your first ski, that way you have what we in the trade call a "pair of skis", which is what most people use, one for your right foot and one for your left.

Hope this helps,


S
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess this is what I get for being a slow typist and trying to take short cuts. [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #14 of 24
Glad to be of help, but I was worried that I might be getting too technical with my "pair of skis" theory.

S
post #15 of 24
Hey Dan,
FWIW...give this year's BanditXX a try....much livier than last year's ski....aside from opinionated Rossi's plusses/drawbacks in manufacturing....
but the Axix X, Chubbs(if found), and BigStix
xx? 84s?...all, have been touted as terrific
by numerous skiers I've talked to...from time to time.
Nordica 's Next year fattie (name..??) is out (I ThInK)...it may be demoeable.
Head has a couple that I'd love to demo..
SuperCross Ti and the MonsterCross.

$.02...
Steve
post #16 of 24
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rio:
Don't go fat....the slow edge-to-edge will drive you crazy on groomers & moguls. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rio,

How can a guy who is from Montana say not to get fats?!!!!!
post #17 of 24
Dan I would have to 2nd Obeo's advice on the Chubbs.They are a friendly happy go lucky powder ski that has some vary nice maners on Groomed and even work well in soft bumps.I found the chubbs to be a joy in boot high to chest deep powder.Another Fat ski That impressed me was the Fisher Bigstick 84. I personaly liked the 84 more then the 74.v
Just to add to the confussion,try the K2 Enemy. it's a twintip yet works vary well as a all mountain ski.It has a wide midsection 75mm, so it should be good in powder.
post #18 of 24
I'm back to post again re the 2nd ski. Yes, the Fischer Big Stix 84! I loved it in a 186 (I am 5'9" and around 190) in deep snow and on wind pack and in bumps. A beefy ski that was light, turny yet stable. I have considered selling my 74's and buying the 84. Very versatile.
post #19 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys,
I appreciate all your input. I now have a good idea of what I want to demo. I am leaving for vacation on friday to go to Vegas(I hate Vegas but wifes sister lives there) then I leave for Mammoth on monday. Pray for snow. I plan to demo some skis (Yes Fox Hat, a pair of skis)I will give a full report when I get back. By the way, I did demo 3 skis (yes Fox Hat, pair of skis) when I was at Dodge Ridge. My report is as follows:
K2 Axis in 174cm: Okay. First pair of the "new" skis I skied on. But bland. No zip. No energy. Nothing negative, nothing positive.
Rossi T-pwr 9x in 174cm: Wow! Turn real quick for GS skis and handle bumps well. Great edge grip. But you better stay on top of them or they will kick you off. Not for the weekend warrior.
Rossi T-pwr Viper S in 174cm: Turn on a dime, held edge real well, handled the bumps nicely. Felt a little heavy but it was the end of the day and i was very tired. Forgiving in that if I got on the back of the skis I was not thrown off like I was with the 9x's, I was able to recover.
Dan
post #20 of 24
Dan,

(a) The K2 Axis will not be appreciated fully on packed snow, but in crud and in powder it rocks - as a ski for crud and messed up powder piles, it skis like a cross between a bulldozer and a Ferrari.

(b) At your weight, the 174 Rossi Viper S is too long - try the 167 and let us know what you think of that.
post #21 of 24
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bandit Man:


Rio,

How can a guy who is from Montana say not to get fats?!!!!!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Because of his requirement to be able to take them into moguls. Fats suck in moguls especially stiff fats like the G3 or Bandit XXX. Personally, I have a pair of Mountain Viper X PPS's for packed conditions & a pair of Salomon Supermountains for everything else. Because of their width and light weight the Supermountains do fine in moguls but I wouldn't want anything wider or heavier (I should note that most of the skiers my age that have tried the Supermountain think they suck in moguls because of their width).
post #22 of 24
Thread Starter 
Oboe,

I bought a pair of Viper S in 167 cm last week. I pick them up today. I'll let you know what I think. I will have to give the Axis' another chance if some snow drops.

Dan
post #23 of 24
Dan the Bump Man,

no offense intended here, but...

if you found that the K2 Axis X had "no zip," you didn't ski them properly. The Axis X is a very powerful ski that will feel stagnant and lifeless if you aren't riding the sweet spot and pressuring the ski properly. I've skied most of the top-end midfats over the past 3 seasons, and so far, I'm most impressed with the K2 Axis X.

FYI: I REALLY like skis with a lot of pop, rebound and power.
post #24 of 24
I'm normally on a Solly Xscream 187 and love it. I just demo'd the AK Launcher (190 cm)at Mt Hood on a crud day and just scored a pair. It's not a replacement for the XScream, it's a compliment to it.

A ski that does bumps well (I'm talking about trying to approach the zipper line here, not getting through them on your back for another lap through the pow!) is not going to ski 18" of Sierra Cement or Alta Fluff very well. Especially when the pilot doesn't get to see 18" of anything very often. It's really two different kinds of skiing and demands two different skis. The fatty will let folks who don't get to ski powder often have a great experience with it, rather than going over the bars every two turns. For me, I went the AK Launcher route for tighter trees where I keep the stepped down to a point where the solly's 68mm waist won't keep me up any more. Mt Hood 'clam powder' gives that sinking feeling a whole new meaning ;~)
I went the fatty route and I think I'm gonna like it. By the way the Atomic 10.ex is getting great reviews. I'd be sure to check that out if I was you. The Launcher's I scored were used and $250 so this is a cheapo experiment for me.

and to the guy from Bozeman - there are some damned good skier's in the mid-west. I used to patrol in Indiana and Michigan, worked with some boys who grew up in Libby and skied smooth as water flows down hill. Some phenomenal slalom racers have come out of Minnesota's ice burgs. It takes real committment to ski in the flatlands and everyone of those folks is dreaming about the two weeks a year out west or making the move out west. Be thankful for where you're at. If you lived in Indiana, you might just be a snow mobiler!
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