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Need suggestion for skis - for a 7yo boy

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
What skis would you recommend to a 7yo boy (8 in May) who's level 5?

(level 5 using this definition -
http://www.eldora.com/lessons/levels.cfm

and somewhere between 6 & 7 using this -
http://www.jacksonholetoday.com/skiing/skierlevels.html

Basically, he can ski parallel, can go down blues and easy blacks, lacks upper/lower body separation, pole planting isn't there yet. He uses mostly rotary turns. Not sure if he's heavy enough to carve properly yet.)

He 4'2" tall (127cm), and 60lb - basically average ht./wt.

Would the following be ok/too much?
- Atomic GS9 jr at 115cm (I assume this is same as SL9 115, based on another thread?)
- Rossi Pro Z1 Jr at 120cm?

I'd like to have him join a race program next season if he still shows interest (also suggested by an instructor), but need to get him something this season - a long story - that he can also use next season as well. Currently he's on a season rental at 110cm, which comes between his chin and mouth.

Thank you all very much in advance.
post #2 of 15
I would go for a multi-event junior race ski. They have lots of sidecut, but are softer than the event-specific skis, and more versatile. The SL9 and the GS9 are definitely not the same ski, and neither is good for someone just starting to parallel.

In the Atomic, look at the Race 5 and Race 6

In the Rossi's, look at the Power 8 and Power 9 (but not the 9s or 9x)

In both cases, the lower number is for less aggressive skiers and the higher number is for more aggressive skiers. Rossi suggests a 120cm for 50-65 lbs. I would definitely not go above the nose in length.

You can pick these up pretty cheap on ebay.

My kids are doing well on the Race 6 (8 yo) and the Power 9 (11yo).

Richr
post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks, Richr. Race 6 would work, but seems a tad too long at 120.

I'm not necessarily restricted to the two brands listed above - those are the graphics my son likes so far. If others have suggestion on different brands/models, I'd like to hear about them. So far, the biggest challenge is to get past his initial screening on the color and graphics....
post #4 of 15
You should get him the Volkl Allstar in a 175cm. If this is too much ski for him or he doesn't like them you can always send them to me . Sorry, I couldn't resist: .
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
If I get my hands on that, I'm gaining a few more pounds, even grow a couple of inches, and keep them for myself.
post #6 of 15

Kids cheat.

If the goal is for him to do as the eldora web-site says, that is steer through the turn, do NOT get him any skis that will let him cheat just by stepping and edging.

That is, don't get a big hourglass shape.

I recommend a ski with shovel no wider than 100 mm, until he can steer short turns. Then, he may be interested in carving more.

The fact that he may be racing is irrelevant. Actually, it's not: at his age, the kids that can steer their skis best win.
post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 
BigE - thanks.

I only provided link to Eldora/JH so one can tell which level he's skiing at.

Goal is... there is nothing specific. He enjoys skiing a lot, more than most other sports, so I just want him to have more fun and get better, whatever that means. Why he couldn't pick a less expensive sport, I don't know.
post #8 of 15
My point here is expense. Since my son started skiing at seven and entered junior race, I can understand (I think), where this is going to go.

As you are aware, at this age the growth curve is going to factor heavily. What you buy is going to be a compromise in legnth and fit (boots) and will probably not be the right gear the following season.

At seven, my son started on Rossi Viper 120's soft with a nice sidecut. At eight he was on 135's .... same ski ... but started junior race. By mid season he was faster than the skis. We jumped up to a 150 Volkl P-30 SL but the problem with them on eastern ice was that the soft tips led to lots of chatter.

My point here is that you are about to start the "great gear chase" ... like the three Bears ... too long, too stiff, too much cut and (due to growth) they will be too short to in two months; nothing is "just right" ... at least for long.

If ... and the big if here is ... can you find a good shop that has a seasonal rental program you will save a pile of money and a lot of agrivation. I didn't and wish I did. What I did end up doing was giving lots of stuff away or selling it for a fraction of the price as he out grew things.

Assuming that you will be selecting a race program for him, find out what shops cater to the race crowd. They are select and they are few. Most shops know "0" jack-doodily-squat about racing, much less junior racing period!
Stop by and ask the coaches and ask other race parents.

One of those shops will have a program rental plan where adjustments in gear are part of the package. That is, if there is a growth spurt, they will change the boots at no charge mid season. The gear is not always new at the lower levels but for a few more bucks it will be. When you add up the e-bay deal that requires a mount and/or adjustment of the bindings, the boots ... and then you have to deal with the piles of junk that will start filling the garage, it just ain't worth the baloney.

good luck ...
post #9 of 15
Phfewwww. I was glad the poster wasn't Michael Jackson.
post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuki
My point here is expense. Since my son started skiing at seven and entered junior race, I can understand (I think), where this is going to go.
Thanks for taking your time and effort on the reply, Yuki. Btw, I've enjoyed your 'Things that got Yuki in trouble' thread.

Yeah, we've been doing season rentals since he started skiing for the exact reason you mentioned. We're, however, making an exception on this ski purchase - it's a promise I made to my son (a long story), so I'm gonna have to suck it up and pay for it. I may have gotten a good deal on something. My younger daughter growing fast, so hopefully at least the skis can get handed down before collecting dust in the garage. Boots... geez, I don't know. There is a store that buys back each year, so we'll probably go thru them. They didn't have good selection on skis, however. I'm sure you've gone thru all that. I'm learning the hard way, as you already can see.

Like I said in the original post, I don't know why kids don't pick something like soccer to be crazy about. Anyhow, thanks for your thoughtful reply.

If you got any more skis you need to dump...
post #11 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
Phfewwww. I was glad the poster wasn't Michael Jackson.
HAHAHA!!!!
That reminds me of a joke.....
How do you know it's time for bed at the Neverland Ranch? When the big hand touches the little hand: !
post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
Phfewwww. I was glad the poster wasn't Michael Jackson.
Hey! I resent being even remotely associated with the freak! :
post #13 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brick
What skis would you recommend to a 7yo boy (8 in May) who's level 5?
Rentals.
post #14 of 15
This may work for you. Not race skis but great all mountain and far better than rentals. Please let me know if you're interest.

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=32352
post #15 of 15
I'm late to the party, but.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brick
He 4'2" tall (127cm), and 60lb - basically average ht./wt.

Would the following be ok/too much?
- Atomic GS9 jr at 115cm (I assume this is same as SL9 115, based on another thread?)
- Rossi Pro Z1 Jr at 120cm?
My 8-year-old daughter skis last year's model of the Rossis in a 120; this is her second season on them. Her specs last year sound like your kids' now. They were very good skis for her; they took her from about where your kid is now at the beginning of last year to consistent confident parallel on blacks by the end of the season. They're basically an intermediate ski, notwithstanding the name.

Now that she's starting to venture into double-blacks and has grown between 4-6", I'm getting ready to transition her to K2 Apache Jr. at 136cm.

If I hadn't already bought the K2 Apaches, though, I'd think seriously about picking up the Salomon 2004 Street Racer T, currently on closeout during REI's clearance sale for $39, in 130-150cm lengths. (It shows as $79, but add it to your cart and your price drops.) 130 might be pushing it for 4'2", but it's Salomon, not K2, so the sizing is relatively smaller.

Alternatively, as someone else said, rentals can be a real good option. Both my five-year-olds are doing season-long rentals at Alpine Meadows this year for $99. Not only is that just a great deal, but it basically includes free servicing as needed (albeit without tuning), plus if they outgrow anything during the season, they just trade up.
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