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post #31 of 47
if you like the fit of the 130LF's but do want stiffer, the plug boot in the Zc or Zi flex might be the answer ....
post #32 of 47
Having just adopted a two boot option by picking up a pair of Scarpa Denali's. I "THINK" soft is OK for most recreational skiing.
"Normal boot is Head WC. The old yellow ones. Very close fit!


I did NOT say soft was suitable for racing.

Patrol demands any condition and time, and over the past five outings I have not been dissapointed yet. So. loss of control in rock hard bumps filled with soft snow, but not dangerouse. I would like to get them out in spring corn and a heavy snow day, but .....

Soft is good;-)

CalG
post #33 of 47
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Originally Posted by viking kaj
So I am just back from a 5 day try out in SLC and thought I would report back on the Lange 130's. They do stiffen up considerably in the cold, but when they are warm I just can't get over the fact that the shells almost bend like pretzels (I have some concerns about long term usage in this regard). The fit is pretty tight but not overly constrictive in the cold, you can actually feel the boot stiffen up when it hits the snow in the parking lot.

They work ok in a free skiing context, lateral control and rearward flex were good, but if I were doing gates I would want something stiffer (even when cold I managed to flex them out a couple of times in the moguls). That said, they are a lot more comfortable than my old race boots, so much so that I find myself leaving the boots on and buckeled when taking a rest without noticing, which I could never do in my old boots. Needless to say, buckeling and unbuckeling before and after every run is no longer necessary.

Finally, since I am fundamentally still a very old school skier I actually like the high degree of forward lean, to me this just feels right in a boot, especially for skiing fast and for quick edge changes on the steeps. Call me a neanderthal if you will, but I like it when I can look down and find my nose right over the tips if the slope is steep. That said, these still work well with a centered stance as well, although if I were going totally new school on fatties I would definitely want something a little more balanced.

So an A+ on comfort and an A- for performance and we will have to see about packing in and durability.
I am not a racer, but I think I understand about the lack of forward lean, and the softness of the new boots. My boots, compared to my ooold boots, feel like rain boots, both in the seeming lack of forward lean and the softness!! My Head Edge boots are new this year, but I still feel weird in them, granted they are much more comfortable, and easy to put on, and take off.

I was going to use my 17 year old (at least: ) Nordica boots, until I was told by a store clerk, and my dad: that I'm not supposed to be wearing any ski boots that are older than 5 years old (sorry, if someone said this already here).

I'm glad your new ski boots worked out well for you!
post #34 of 47
"until I was told by a store clerk, and my dad that I'm not supposed to be wearing any ski boots that are older than 5 years old"

that's a load of crap, as long as they are ISO/DIN numbered and meet all the dimensional guidelines you should be good to go...unless of course they are rear entry, and then buy new boots
post #35 of 47
[quote=waxman]"until I was told by a store clerk, and my dad that I'm not supposed to be wearing any ski boots that are older than 5 years old"

that's a load of crap, as long as they are ISO/DIN numbered and meet all the dimensional guidelines you should be good to go...unless of course they are rear entry, and then buy new boots[/quote

That's what I thought! I've read about people's ski boots disintergrating after the 5 year mark though. Apparently, in Japan, they have many postings at ski resorts, that advice people not to wear ski boots older than 5 years old. I've thought that this must be some kind of a ploy by the ski boots companies, but some people seem to believe in it.

I've been wanting to try my old Nardicas and my Rosignol straight skis: a try, to see how different they feel compared to my shaped skis, Head Mpulse, and my new boots Head Edge...maybe I can try them out!!

so maybe the boots thing is a whole lot of cr#p, I don't know. I'm just relaying the information I've collected
post #36 of 47
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Originally Posted by waxman
"until I was told by a store clerk, and my dad that I'm not supposed to be wearing any ski boots that are older than 5 years old"

that's a load of crap, as long as they are ISO/DIN numbered and meet all the dimensional guidelines you should be good to go...unless of course they are rear entry, and then buy new boots
I'm not sure, but I think my Rossi's were probably 1994-95 vintage, and it it wasn't for the buckle busting I would still be skiing them with pleasure (AND PAIN, but it hurts so good my iron maiden).

This past weekend at Taos I noticed many who were not slaves to the latest boot fashion. Bright orange Lange's predominated amongst other neolithical colours, and if I remember correctly Lange hasn't made a boot in bright orange since the early 1990's. Most of the people on them did not seem to be suffering from a lack of control either.

My theory is that once you get a pair of boots that fit right (ie are packed in and still tight) you ski them until either they or you drop. I am interested in seeing what kind of mileage the new Langes are good for, given the softer polymer.
post #37 of 47
I'm also looking at buying a new pair of boots and in doubt between the Atomic RT Ti and RT CS, both in a 130 flex (2006-07 presale).
The reason I'm considering the CS is because I do have a relatively wide foot.
The BetaRace I have now (the yellow one, flex 95) is just too soft.
It's good for easy skiing with my GF but doesn't provide enough support and control when I'm in the gates (recreational SL and GS).

Any advice on these boots?

Oh, and what's a "plug"? I saw Viking kaj post that same question but didn't see it answered or did I miss it?
post #38 of 47

I just got a pair of CSs...

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Originally Posted by Schussboelie
I'm also looking at buying a new pair of boots and in doubt between the Atomic RT Ti and RT CS, both in a 130 flex (2006-07 presale).
The reason I'm considering the CS is because I do have a relatively wide foot.
The BetaRace I have now (the yellow one, flex 95) is just too soft.
It's good for easy skiing with my GF but doesn't provide enough support and control when I'm in the gates (recreational SL and GS).

Any advice on these boots?

Oh, and what's a "plug"? I saw Viking kaj post that same question but didn't see it answered or did I miss it?

...and they're the best. I couldn't even begin to get my foot into a TI (size 11, C/D width street shoe), but I didn't have to do any grinding or punching out with the CSs. Note that you can get the CSs in Very Soft, Soft, or Medium. I went for medium and that works find for Masters racing and free skiing. I came off a Lange 110, which just wasn't cutting it for me any more...the fit was never right, and I couldn't get decent pressure on the tip. Now I feel like I'm standing in a much better place on the ski. I also went down shell sizes from 315 to 304. The CS is definitely wider in the forefoot than the TI, but it's still a race fit boot, so make sure you've got a good boot fitter for any fit issues...
post #39 of 47
Great!
The 130 is the medium so that looks good too.
post #40 of 47
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Originally Posted by Schussboelie
Great!
The 130 is the medium so that looks good too.
Don't get carried away with the flex number. I've tried a racetech medium (last year's, not the RT), and it is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay stiffer than any consumer 130 boot, and stiffer than my dobie 150s. Plug flexes work differently...
post #41 of 47
Wow...
So you saying the Race Tec CS is a plug?
Hmmm, then maybe I should reconsider and go for the 100 (Soft)...
post #42 of 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by Schussboelie
Wow...
So you saying the Race Tec CS is a plug?
Hmmm, then maybe I should reconsider and go for the 100 (Soft)...
It's a semi-plug or a consumer plug. I don't know if the flexes of the CS are the same as the Ti. If so, I can tell you that the racetech medium is one stiff bear of a boot. The soft is about equivalent to my dobies. Still, I may be drawing a false comparison, I'd PM atomicman or the like.
post #43 of 47
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Originally Posted by SkiRacer55
my foot into a TI (size 11, C/D width street shoe),
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Originally Posted by SkiRacer55
I also went down shell sizes from 315 to 304.
Are you serious :
I have a size 9 (streetshoe) and my previous boot (Atomic BetaRace, the yellow one, flex 95, not too hard at all mind you) was a 27,5.
It never felt too big but the shell size (at least if you mean the length of the sole) is 317!!! :
post #44 of 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by Schussboelie
Are you serious :
I have a size 9 (streetshoe) and my previous boot (Atomic BetaRace, the yellow one, flex 95, not too hard at all mind you) was a 27,5.
It never felt too big but the shell size (at least if you mean the length of the sole) is 317!!! :
That is way too big. You should have no more than one finger of shell space in a race boot. I have a size 12 foot and I wear a size 9 (315mm) Dobie.
post #45 of 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by doublediamond223
That is way too big. You should have no more than one finger of shell space in a race boot. I have a size 12 foot and I wear a size 9 (315mm) Dobie.
You have got to be kidding me!
A size 12 foot in a size 9 shell?
Do you use those for everyday skiing?

In my case I would have to go to a 25,5 shell (26 to 27,5 all use the same shell) :
The problem is I can't really try em on as it's a next season's presale promo.
I tried last years CS and it was great for my feet but really no clue on the new ones...
post #46 of 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by viking kaj
Could this the advent of the 2 boot quiver?
Whats next..golfers having 2 drivers in their bag?:
post #47 of 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by Schussboelie
You have got to be kidding me!
A size 12 foot in a size 9 shell?
Do you use those for everyday skiing?

In my case I would have to go to a 25,5 shell (26 to 27,5 all use the same shell) :
The problem is I can't really try em on as it's a next season's presale promo.
I tried last years CS and it was great for my feet but really no clue on the new ones...
Doublediamond knows what he is talking about. It is possible to ski a boot three sizes smaller than your street size. But you have to see a good bootfitter. He has access to great bootfitters. I suppose you don't.

IMO you bought your boots too big.

I have a size 9 foot and wear a 7 XT. I can do it because the lower shell is shaped like a foot.

IMO if you don't have access to a good bootfitter (i heard that there is a good bootfitter in Austria) you could try on as many high performance boots as you can and get the best fitting model. Get it as small as you can to use it for all day skiing. OR there is another thing you can do. It is exactly what i did. You can get the boot tight (almost as if you could not ski more than a few runs and it is definitely NOT the same size as street) and then throw in a thinner liner which you will buy separately. This way, you will have a more comfortable fit. This method works only if you have a tighter fit. If you don't it will make the boot loose.

I can tell you that the fit of my XT (race boot) was very tight and i could not ski all day long with the stock liner. I replaced it with a very thin liner race liner. It works and the boot fits better, the liner holds my foot better and the fit is more comfortable. Yes it is harder to put on but from the first turn you will be happy with the comfort and performance of the boot.

The liner i use is the Tecnica Diablo Race R (leather, flow) which is a compy of the Nordica Dobermann lace up liner found on the Dobermann WC 150 and 160 models. I should mention that the Dobermann lace up has a neoprene toe box which helps a lot.
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