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Old Skis vs Newer Skis

post #1 of 20
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I have a newish pair of K2-Axis X skis, 188 lgth, which I dearly love. During the summer last year I bought a pair of Head Monster 75, 184 lgth, which I used for a trip this past December to SLC, and came away just mildly pleased. I mean these ski'd okay, but with all the computer chips, floating bindings, etc I was looking for some "wow" stuff. Compared to the K2s, I was plainly dissapointed.

Just curious if anyone has had similar experience ... bought skis in anticipation of better skiing, only to find the "bells and whistles" don't produce any meaningful results and simply get back on to their previous pair.
post #2 of 20
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Originally Posted by Dorm57
I have a newish pair of K2-Axis X skis, 188 lgth, which I dearly love. During the summer last year I bought a pair of Head Monster 75, 184 lgth, which I used for a trip this past December to SLC, and came away just mildly pleased. I mean these ski'd okay, but with all the computer chips, floating bindings, etc I was looking for some "wow" stuff. Compared to the K2s, I was plainly dissapointed.

Just curious if anyone has had similar experience ... bought skis in anticipation of better skiing, only to find the "bells and whistles" don't produce any meaningful results and simply get back on to their previous pair.
Most skis require a little finesse before they perform in a familiar way. The K2 is an old friend, The Head is a new acquaintance, the bond is not the same. Also the Head should be much shorter than the K2, or it might feel a little dead in comparison.

The Head will really shine at speed and while carving on ice. Give 'em a little time.

Michael
Cheers,

Michael
post #3 of 20
Could it be that you're possibly expecting the high-tech ski to take too much of the performance out of your hands?
post #4 of 20
It is all pretty ski specific, even within the Monster lineup---some models shine and others were routinely bagged in reviews. I have older (3yr??) iM 70's and like them a lot. The latest iM 88's are getting rave reviews---but some of the others in the line get hammered---maybe the 75 is one of those that didn't fare all that well??


One thing I'm not to thrilled with is the railflex. I like the ease of adjustment but have noticed slop starting to creep in.

Howvere, I really only noticed when switching to a different pair of skis with Salomon 810's mounted flat. There is a whole lot less flex and movement in the Salomon as compared to the Tyrolia on rails.
post #5 of 20
I've never bought new skis and after getting them "dialed in" still liked the old ones better.

An opposite thought: How about buying a new set of boards, expecting a lot and they even EXCEEDED your lofty expectations.

This was the case when I bought a pair of 175 Allstars this year. Didn't bother to demo and was expecting a lot but they have proven to be even better than I was expecting...and I WAS expecting a lot
Similar experience but not quite as dramatic with the Volkl P9's (207's) purchased in the early 90's.
post #6 of 20
bought skis in anticipation of better skiing, only to find the "bells and whistles" don't produce any meaningful results ...............There you have it. :
post #7 of 20
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by slider
bought skis in anticipation of better skiing, only to find the "bells and whistles" don't produce any meaningful results ...............There you have it. :
I don't get your point. What I have are skis with the "bells and whistles" i.e. computer chips for vibration dampening, railflex bindings, etc, but I don't notice much in the way of performance improvement.

Perhaps barretscv said it best,"Give 'em a little time".
post #8 of 20
Sheesh, I am out of it.

Computer chips for vibration dampening?

What will they think of next.
post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by Dorm57
I don't get your point. What I have are skis with the "bells and whistles" i.e. computer chips for vibration dampening, railflex bindings, etc, but I don't notice much in the way of performance improvement.

Perhaps barretscv said it best,"Give 'em a little time".
Nothing personal. Maybe it's not the ski for you. Perhaps you are a excellent skier and are expecting something that isn't there. Any new ski should show a noticable preformance over a older ski.
post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by Treewell
I've never bought new skis and after getting them "dialed in" still liked the old ones better.

An opposite thought: How about buying a new set of boards, expecting a lot and they even EXCEEDED your lofty expectations.

This was the case when I bought a pair of 175 Allstars this year. Didn't bother to demo and was expecting a lot but they have proven to be even better than I was expecting...and I WAS expecting a lot
Similar experience but not quite as dramatic with the Volkl P9's (207's) purchased in the early 90's.
Certainly didnt expect my PEs to replace a set of 174 Rossi 9S as my daily ski... I'd have to say it was my best ski equipment purchase of all time.
post #11 of 20
Dorm57
(1) Your skiing style may be better suited to your older skis. Some skis are better for carvers, some are better for skidders. Some need more tip pressure, some need less.

(2) Unless you are very big and strong, those skis might have been too long (and consequently too stiff) for you. I recently demo'ed some 170 & 165 cm skis, liked them very much, and I'm a 6', 210# advanced skier.


Ken
post #12 of 20
I had a pair of 188 Volkl G41's that I loved, but were a ton of work for my 160 lb frame. The following year I picked up a pair of 183 or 184 Atomic 10.EX which I thought would be a little easier for all-mtn due to the shorter length and softer flex. I spent like 2 months trying to like the Atomics and I never did. I did demo them for 2 runs the previous year and they felt ok on groomers, but once I had some real time on them I saw nothing but flaws. The 10.EX had these retarded low profile tips that were too small and didn't float, the shape was all wrong, and way too much sidecut in the tail. The light hollow feel wasn't appealing to me either. Eventually went back to the beat up old Volkls that year and then got a new pair of G4's the following year.

Don't waste your ski days on something you don't like and doesn't agree with your skiing.
post #13 of 20
I haven't been on either ski, so please take my comments with a grain of salt.

It seems like the Monster you bought is too long to appreciate it's good qualities, unless you weigh about 220lbs. You are most likely not in a position to make use of the bells and whistles, that is, what they are intended to do is not necessitated.

The chip vibration absorbing, for example, is designed to stiffen the ski only when conditions warrant it. Having such a system on your skis allows you to have a softer ski that behaves better at slow speed, but one that will not crap out at high speeds on hard snow or ice. The benefit is that you can now get a relatively short ski that is easily maneuvered at slow speeds on soft snow, i.e. a Head Monster at say 170-175 cm. If you don't ski at conditions that would cause your old skis to vibrate uncontrollably, the whistle is beyond your hearing pitch. If you don't ski slowly where the softer kinder gentler ski is appreciated, you will not get your bell to ring. There are 20-year old skis that perform better at high speeds on hardpack, and there are plenty of skis that work better slowly on soft snow, but few that are as good at both.
post #14 of 20
Well, the Axis X is a very forgiving and decent all around ski. I used to ski a pair of 188cm myself. I have liked other skis more, though they all take a little getting used to. Maybe give it more time.

Craig
post #15 of 20
What SoftSnowGuy said.
post #16 of 20
Thread Starter 
Well I'm definitely in the "beefcake" range ... 6'-2" and upwards of 250lbs, and a level 6-7 skier. The Heads just did not seem as strong as the K2s, and I could overpower these if I pushed too hard. The K2s on the other hand seem to take all I can dish out. I checked out several tester reviews on the Heads before buying, but nothing tells the tale like hitting the snow.

We're headed to Big Mountain, Mt., the last of Feb. and I'll probably bring the Heads and give these some more slope time hoping these come around. Thanks for the feedback...
post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by Dorm57
Well I'm definitely in the "beefcake" range ... 6'-2" and upwards of 250lbs, and a level 6-7 skier. The Heads just did not seem as strong as the K2s, and I could overpower these if I pushed too hard. The K2s on the other hand seem to take all I can dish out.
It's definitely the user, not the ski in this case. They are the right size for you and such, but I fear that you are using something more along the lines of "traditional" technique. Being a level 6-7 skier you may not be skiing them properly, causing them to feel squirrely from not being flexed into an arc. Remember how much more sidecut they have versus the K2's you are used to... plus the IM75 is actually a stiffer ski than the X... Look into it at least. Take a [good]/[SoftSnowGuy insert ad here] lesson on the IM75's and see what the instructor thinks.

Later

GREG
post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by Matter
I had a pair of 188 Volkl G41's that I loved, but were a ton of work for my 160 lb frame. The following year I picked up a pair of 183 or 184 Atomic 10.EX which I thought would be a little easier for all-mtn due to the shorter length and softer flex. I spent like 2 months trying to like the Atomics and I never did. I did demo them for 2 runs the previous year and they felt ok on groomers, but once I had some real time on them I saw nothing but flaws. The 10.EX had these retarded low profile tips that were too small and didn't float, the shape was all wrong, and way too much sidecut in the tail. The light hollow feel wasn't appealing to me either. Eventually went back to the beat up old Volkls that year and then got a new pair of G4's the following year.

Don't waste your ski days on something you don't like and doesn't agree with your skiing.
GOOD POINT!! If after lets say 6-8 days AT MOST on a new pair of skis you still don't liked them....it's time to admit you've F##***-up, cut your losses and move on...
post #19 of 20
Think of those new skis as a new relationship. You are used to your "old" skis. You know how they would perform in different conditions. You know where their sweet spot is. You know how to make your skis turn. Now your "new" skis will take some time to feel out. You need to get familiar with them and keep an open mind. I bet you will love them if you just give them a chance.

Footnote: If I offended anyone sorry, my bad!
post #20 of 20
Thread Starter 

Epilogue ... Old Skis vs. newer

Just wanted to close the loop on this with some observations as we just came back from Big Mtn., Montana. I took both pair along (K2 Axis-X and Head Monster IM 75) and started out the week on the Head Monsters. Mid-week I switched to the K2 Axis-X pair and after one run new which pair was clearly, hands down, absolutely superior ... the Head Monsters! The K2 skis required much more forward pressure on the tips for turn initiation, and overall just did not seem as stable.

Many features that matter were just so much easier and stable with the Head skis ... turn initiation, stability thru crud, stability at speed, flotation in powder, forgiveness, etc.
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