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Mantra Bindings

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
I realize that there have been endless Mantra postings, but I could not find what I was looking for in the other postings. I have been skiing for about one year, and despite living out East, I have taken up the skiing "addicition" aggressively. Nevertheless, I lack a great deal of ski equipment knowledge due to my short exposure to the sport. After skiing in Colorado and Utah several times this year, I decided to buy skis for out West --- especially with more trip upcoming.

This past weekend, I skied both the Volkl Karma and Mantra at Snowbasin and Alta --- getting the skis on any and every type of terrain I could find. After some haggling, I went with the Mantra because I felt that it had more versatility, particularly in powder. So what binding should I mount on this ski?

I am inclined towards a Marker binding: Titanium 12.0 Free, Comp 14.0 Free, or Comp 14.0 EPS... but what is the performance difference between these models. Marker's website provides ZERO explanation. Given my relatively new beginnings in the sport, I doubt that I will need the 14 DIN setting anytime soon, but I would rather buy the right binding first time around.

Finally, why would someone install a piston controlled binding on the Mantra??

Thanks for the help
post #2 of 16
telebindings. A fixed heel binding is a fixed heel binding. As long as you have a high enough din setting, there not that much difference between alpine bindings.
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
Okay --- maybe I should have said: why would anyone put a plate mounted, piston-controlled binding on the Mantra??

and any other thoughts are greatly appreciated...
post #4 of 16
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Definitely don't put a plate mounted, let alone piston, binding on those skis. Especially since you're relatively new to the sport. If you do insist on putting Marker bindings on those skis the Ti 12 Free would be the most suitable of the ones you listed. But is there any reason for your Marker preference?
post #5 of 16
I'd go with the 14.0 EPS or Free. It really doesn't make any difference which one, performance-wise. You may not need a 14 din, but the 14.0's seem to be better quality and more durable than the 12 or lower models.
post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiski
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Definitely don't put a plate mounted, let alone piston, binding on those skis. Especially since you're relatively new to the sport. If you do insist on putting Marker bindings on those skis the Ti 12 Free would be the most suitable of the ones you listed. But is there any reason for your Marker preference?

Thanks, Kiwi... I figured that Look/Rossi Axials may be more than I needed at this stage, so I wanted some additional ideas. I am not necessarily sold on the Markers, but wanted to get some thoughts. What about the Saloman S912ti?? And will the 14.0 EPS and Free be much better quality than the 12.0 ti Free?
post #7 of 16
Any of the above mentioned bindings would be suitable.

I mounted the new Rossi/Look PX style binding on my Mantras initially & hated the engagement/release.

Switched to Solly S912Tis which I've been using for years and am pleased.
post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 
I spoke with a ski shop, and they said that the "big hit" or most popular binding for the Mantra was Rossi Axial 2 120 Ti Pro --- advocating Kiwi's posts. Now, I am leaning in that direction b/c most seem to think that these bindings offer the best performance.

Another question: I am 5'11" tall, weigh 173 lbs. --- and fairly athletic. Since I have only been skiing a year, I demoed the Mantra at 170 (which comes just above my nose), and I have never skied anything as long as a 177, although most every people in these forums with my height/weight goes with the 177. On the other hand, I need to get the RIGHT ski... given the HUGE cost. Would the 177s be much more difficult for me to manouver in difficult snow, chopped powder, trees, or bumps?? Or will I grow into them... need help here.

thanks
post #9 of 16
GJ,
Sizing the ski is a very difficult question to answer. The Mantra is by no means an intermediate ski. It gives a great ride but requires a lot of input & good technique to get it to respond.
I'm roughly your size & weight and ski the 184. But I ski 40 days yearly in Colorado and have been doing it for quite some time.
I guess I'd suggest the 177 as the 170 seems way too small for someone of your size. But before laying down that kind of cash you may want to consider whether you're choosing the correct ski. Mantra, at any length, is NOT a bump ski. I'll take it through bumps at the bottom of runs when I have no choice but I avoid dedicated bump runs at all cost. The twin Titanium layers don't like flowing through the moguls and they will bend if you're not careful.
As for the new Rossi binding...like I said above, I hated it. See if they have it mounted on a demo ski and test the engagement/release for yourself with your ski boots on. Luckily I have a great realtionship with my shop & they were happy to swap them out for trusty old Solly 912Tis. My shop agreed with me that the amount of pressure required seemed abnormal and that this year's binding is not the same as the excellent version offerred in years past.
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 
Squeaky --- I appreciate the feedback. I skied with with an instructor (32-year veteran instructor at Snowbasin, former college ski racer) this past Saturday at Snowbasin, and since he felt that my technique was strong enough for whatever ski I wanted, he recommended that I go for the Mantra (or Karma). I have emailed him about the best length for me --- no response yet.

By no means do I plan to live in the bumps --- particularly icy ones, but when the powder gets skied off in other areas, I will take my spins on whatever ungroomed runs and through the tress to find the powder --- even if chopped up powder. I just want ensure that I will not lose anything by jumping to the 177s b/c I enjoyed what chopped powder I could find (in the trees, ungroomed runs, etc.) at Alta and Snowbasin on the Mantras this weekend. When I say bumps, I meant ungroomed runs that develop bumps as new powder gets skied off.

thanks
post #11 of 16
Gotcha.
If this is going to be your "Out West" ski then 177.
post #12 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
Gotcha.
If this is going to be your "Out West" ski then 177.
agreed.
post #13 of 16
I had the same question about sizing the Mantra. I am 6' 180 lbs. level 8 skier with lots of pow experience. This is my first wide board. I couldn't find a demo in stock to try so I went with the 184 after a much debate... and because they were selling out. I ride a 175cm for all moutain so I figured a 177 would be the fit. I was talked out the 177 cm by multiple people. Many said the slight twin tip will shorten the ski and the Mantra rode short to begin with. I still wonder if I made the correct choice but I generally prefer too long over too short... especially in the soft stuff.

I haven't skied the Mantra yet. I have 3 trips in the next 30 days. Hopefully we will get some fresh. BTW I picked up the Tyrolia Mojo 15. Haven't heard much mentioned about this binding on this board but more than a few people highly recommended it. What do you guys think? I haven't mounted them yet.

<M
post #14 of 16
Mojo 15's are good bindings but the only trouble you may have is finding a shop with the right jig for fat skis

just make sure whoever mounts it has experience and sells Volkl so if they screw up, you can get a replacement

post a review after you've tried the Mantra's (you'll love'm)




Quote:
Originally Posted by Moods
I had the same question about sizing the Mantra. I am 6' 180 lbs. level 8 skier with lots of pow experience. This is my first wide board. I couldn't find a demo in stock to try so I went with the 184 after a much debate... and because they were selling out. I ride a 175cm for all moutain so I figured a 177 would be the fit. I was talked out the 177 cm by multiple people. Many said the slight twin tip will shorten the ski and the Mantra rode short to begin with. I still wonder if I made the correct choice but I generally prefer too long over too short... especially in the soft stuff.

I haven't skied the Mantra yet. I have 3 trips in the next 30 days. Hopefully we will get some fresh. BTW I picked up the Tyrolia Mojo 15. Haven't heard much mentioned about this binding on this board but more than a few people highly recommended it. What do you guys think? I haven't mounted them yet.

<M
post #15 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks for everyone's help with the Mantra and bindings. I am leaning towards the Rossi Axial 2 Ti, but if not those, I plan to go with the Saloman S912 Ti. My interest in the Markers has disappeared, as few have strongly advocated it.

Any more thoughts and feedback are always appreciated.
post #16 of 16
forget all those bindings. get a tyrolia mojo15 or a sally S916 or a look/rossi turntable heel binder
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