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Hot Sauce or Zoom?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
So there are a lot of views about both, so I pose the direct question, which is better for me?

Ski summit county.
40-50 days a year.

I am not concerned with glide or speed at all, rather, I am primarially concerned with base protection and longevity of the wax application. I kinda assume they go hand in hand, because the longer the wax stays on, the longer it will protect.

Right now Im using a solid bar of Swix F4 and I find it just doesnt seem to last that long. Few runs I notice a significant decrease in glide, however, the base always seems to stay somewhat waxed via the water spray (spit) test.

Thanks a bunch.
post #2 of 19
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Originally Posted by pechelman
the base always seems to stay somewhat waxed via the water spray (spit) test.

I have my doubts about the validity of that test as quite a few ski waxes include surfactants.

More directly to your question, I'm fairly convinced that better glide makes for better durability, and, further, that more (careful) hot waxing means more wax absorbed.

Hertel is more affordable and would allow more hot waxing therefore, but I've had some quibbles with Hertel glide on Vail cat tracks in January. To improve on that, I'd probably look to the local guy and try Purl.

(stepping aside to let the Dominator fans in)
post #3 of 19
What's the difference between Hertel Hot sauce 5oz, and Hertel 3/4 pounder? (other than the price )
post #4 of 19
the 3/4 pounder is a factory second, i bought some, well actually 2 packs, and i really lay it on, and wax every time i go even, since its so cheap. I skied in 5 degree weather with it and they were great. I skied in michigans UP in "Big Snow Country" and it was nearly 50 the last couple days. I was no slower than anyone else, much faster than most infact. I really like the hot sauce!

PS. look at the weather wisconsin, where im from is having, damn rain..where is winter...or is there no such thing this year:-(
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by nilaszewski
the 3/4 pounder is a factory second, i bought some, well actually 2 packs, and i really lay it on, and wax every time i go even, since its so cheap. I skied in 5 degree weather with it and they were great. I skied in michigans UP in "Big Snow Country" and it was nearly 50 the last couple days. I was no slower than anyone else, much faster than most infact. I really like the hot sauce!

PS. look at the weather wisconsin, where im from is having, damn rain..where is winter...or is there no such thing this year:-(
Cool! Thanks for the answer.
The weather here in the Northeast is the same way..I find it depressing. What is this rain sh!#!!!
I need temperatures in the single digits, and blizzards!!!
post #6 of 19
So, Hot Sauce has flouro in it, while Zoom Graphite for instance is Hydro.
Someone told me that flouro is for racing (I just bought Hertel Hot Sauce), and I'm not a racer. Is this true?
post #7 of 19
bests me but im not a racer and love using it. SHould it really matter if you race anyway? I say use it, it works really really well. Especially for the MONEY!!!!
post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pechelman
So there are a lot of views about both, so I pose the direct question, which is better for me?

Ski summit county.
40-50 days a year.

I am not concerned with glide or speed at all, rather, I am primarially concerned with base protection and longevity of the wax application. I kinda assume they go hand in hand, because the longer the wax stays on, the longer it will protect.

Right now Im using a solid bar of Swix F4 and I find it just doesnt seem to last that long. Few runs I notice a significant decrease in glide, however, the base always seems to stay somewhat waxed via the water spray (spit) test.

Thanks a bunch.
so back to the original question
does anyone have a reccomendation for me
hertels or dominators zoom
cost isnt much of an issue
im looking for protection and longevity
post #9 of 19
Between Dominator and Hertel, I would get Hertel. I have been using Hertel for about 10 years and have never been dissapointed. Ive tried alot of other companies, Hertel always gives good durability and performance. Ive actaully talked to the owner Terry Hertel about the Dominator graphite wax. He told me when Dominator first got started they were calling Hertel-inc.for a long time trying to figure out how to get their formula started. The graphite is a very simple cost efficient method of reducing friction. Hertel uses high concentrations of Flourocarbons and surfactants to achieve the same goal. The Flourocarbon used in Dominator ,along with Swix and Toko are all Stable Flourocarbons.Which Means they come in a powder form and aren't oil or water soluble. Dominator sort of falls in a catagory with everyone else. Hertel was the first flourocarbon ski wax and since then the science hasn't been touched. I hope this helps you!
Keep on keepin on. -nickitynac
post #10 of 19
I bought the 3/4 lb block of Hertel for $13.00. For that price it is worth trying. I have not used the Zoom products.

Prior to using the Hertel was using up my supply of Briko Course Waxes, orange, red and blue. Have been using mostly orange given the weather in Ohio. I also used liquid F4.

I have used the Hertel for about 4 days. I hot wax every time I ski, due to the man made recycled snow. Plus it only takes a few minute to put the wax on. I leave the wax on at least overnight and scrape and brush(brass and horse hair) before skiing.

I have been very happy with the Hertel wax. I cannot compare it to the Zoom product, but for a recreational skier/patroller I will be using Hertel. You can't beat the price.
post #11 of 19

all temperature range

So, I bought both Zoom and Herter.
They are both All Temperature (I think). Does anyone know what the temperature ranges are for these waxes? Is one better for warm temperature (like 40F) than the other??:
post #12 of 19
I've used Zoom off and on, and found at cold temps like single digits it's slow, probably good down to low to mid teens. I was at Mammoth last May and skied 3 days in mid 60's temps and it was fine, seemed fast with no sticking. So seems to me it's biased more toward warmer temps.
post #13 of 19
I have used Hertel on and off. It is a harder wax than most warm waxes. I have not used it in Spring or warmer temps much (above freezing air temp and snow temp approaching freezing). But if I have used it and the temperature swings toward the cold, I have found it to be good. If you race, it probably would not be the choice for the very fastest times on cold days, but it is a safe bet if you do not want to worry about the snow temperature and have only one wax.
post #14 of 19
Thanks Westcat and RShea!
How many layers of the stuff do you put on?
post #15 of 19
I had put on two layers of Hertel (last time I intended to ski, it was going to be relatively warm, like 40F. Hertel Hot Sauce is Florinated so I thought it might be better than Dominator Zoom Graphite).

Well, I went skiing last night!! It was cooold, something like zero Faranheight at the bottom of the mountain:. IMHO, Dominator Zoom does better in this condition compared to Hertel Hot Sauce. I found Hertel to be a little sticky.
post #16 of 19
I used to use Hertel Hot Sauce - I loved it, but my source dried up. Where can you get more of that these days? I'm using the Dominator now, but it just doesn't have the same "feel" and speed my Hertel did. I don't think it's as durable either, but what do I know. PM me if you have any good CHEAP online sources.
post #17 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by pechelman
So there are a lot of views about both, so I pose the direct question, which is better for me?

Ski summit county.
40-50 days a year.

I am not concerned with glide or speed at all, rather, I am primarially concerned with base protection and longevity of the wax application. I kinda assume they go hand in hand, because the longer the wax stays on, the longer it will protect.

Right now Im using a solid bar of Swix F4 and I find it just doesnt seem to last that long. Few runs I notice a significant decrease in glide, however, the base always seems to stay somewhat waxed via the water spray (spit) test.

Thanks a bunch.
Use crisco, spit on it and watch em glide.
post #18 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by axebiker
I used to use Hertel Hot Sauce - I loved it, but my source dried up. Where can you get more of that these days? I'm using the Dominator now, but it just doesn't have the same "feel" and speed my Hertel did. I don't think it's as durable either, but what do I know. PM me if you have any good CHEAP online sources.
Hertel has a web site of their own that you can order on line. It also finds it's way onto Ebay pretty regularly too. There is a buy it now listing right now for multiple packages of 5 oz. Search under skiing and snowboard- accessories- waxing and tuning. I have also found it from time to time in some ski shops.

The Hertel web site is http://www.hertelwax.com/
post #19 of 19
Thanks!
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