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My Current Demo List

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Just reporting in on my thinking from my earlier thread on this site:

Since all the equipment geeks preach "demo, demo, demo," I have, based on ski shop visits and the equipment review forum here, come up with the following demo list for myself:

Fischer RX8
Volkl 5-star
Atomic Izor 9.7
Head XRC1100

I am on Dynastar SkiCross 9s but feel that I am overpowering them on hardpack. I am about Level 8, an aspiring PSIA LII who likes medium-radius turns, carving, moderate speeds. I am in general looking for better edge hold and something that will not interfere with improving my bump skills. I would like to take LII skiing later this season.

I am 6', 190 lbs. probably looking at 165-170cm in these skis.

My question: Does this list seem like a reasonably consistent grouping of skis for me to demo? Is any one of them seriously out of whack with the others?

Thanks,

JoeB
post #2 of 16
Looks good to me, but the RX 8 is hard to beat IMO.
post #3 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeB
Since all the equipment geeks preach "demo, demo, demo," I have, based on ski shop visits and the equipment review forum here, come up with the following demo list for myself:
The equipment geeks don't practice what they preach. A recent poll showed that most just buy their skis based on characteristics and reputation, and hope for the best. Nice list, you could be happy with any of them. No love for the Allstar, or just too expensive?
post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks, Coach, that opinion is helpful.

JoeB
post #5 of 16
Thread Starter 
Cirque:

Good question regarding the All-Star. No, I have nothing against it myself. But I was told at one shop that it was a great ski, but that it needs a lot of speed to load it for optimum performance. When I told the sales "kid" that I like speed, but tend to ski a little slower than most people at my skill level, he felt that the 5-Star might be a better bet.

Hey, any opinions on that are welcome.

JoeB
post #6 of 16
Great lookin' list. Being an allstar owner, I would have second the motion. Seems like a guy your size at a level 8 could be on a slightly longer ski for medium radius turns... 170-175cm. You will definitely get better edge hold. Just a thought.

Good luck!

<M
post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 
Moods, thanks.

What are your thoughts re what I was told regarding the All-Star vs. the 5-star? As an enthusiastic All-Star guy, do you agree or disagree with the observation that the 5-star backs off just enough off from the All-Star to suit somewhat slower skiers?

Also, what are your vital statistics?

Thanks,
JoeB
post #8 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cirquerider
The equipment geeks don't practice what they preach. A recent poll showed that most just buy their skis based on characteristics and reputation, and hope for the best.
'tis true, 'tis true. this is why knowledgeable skiers who have spent time on different sticks are so valuable to me. for me Dawgcatching is a great resource because we're almost the same size and skier ability, and he carries most of the brands that I like. but ultimately, "demo, demo, demo" is a mantra (no Volkl pun intended) that is useful only to give one's self the sense of the "flavor" differences among skis. this "flavor" difference is the most startling thing I notice from ski to ski, more than performance differences. seems that most skis in a niche are solid performers these days.

Joe, I'd suggest the Elan M666, and I'd also suggest giving Dawgcatching a call after he's back from the SIA show in Devil's Playground.
post #9 of 16
Thread Starter 
UncleCrud, OK, thanks I'll add the Elan M666,to my demo list. Now to find out where to find them in Mass or NH.

JoeB
post #10 of 16
eh, just imagine a livelier, smoother Volkl 5 Star.

but seriously,

Al's Ski Barn sells Elan, but they're in Portland ME. Not heading up that way are you?
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by JoeB
Moods, thanks.

What are your thoughts re what I was told regarding the All-Star vs. the 5-star? As an enthusiastic All-Star guy, do you agree or disagree with the observation that the 5-star backs off just enough off from the All-Star to suit somewhat slower skiers?

Also, what are your vital statistics?

Thanks,
JoeB
I haven't skied the 5* so I can't really comment there. I come from the school of 203 slalom ski, 207 GS ski... none of these newer boards are hard to handle IMO and all of them are easy at slower speeds comparitively speaking.

I think you would be very happy with any of the above choices. I skied an Atomic M11 and Volkl AC3 back to back recently. They felt completely different and neither ski was perfect for me. However, after just a few runs both ski's felt great and I really enjoyed the ride. If I was stuck on one or the other for a season either would have worked great.

Enjoy the journey!

<M
post #12 of 16
The RX8 is likely your best bet, but you might also want to try a Solomon Equipe 10 and a Rossi VS Oversize.
post #13 of 16

allstar

JoeB,

Read my thread "volkl allstar first impressions" thread in gear forum..I could not disagree with your tech more. The Allstar will reward any input you give it. You will be making a huge mistake if you shy away from it. Simply awesome piece of technology...5 star isn't junk, but the Allstar has all the bells and whistles and the new shape(70mm waist)making it more versatile.

I tell no lies, demo allstar in 168 will = likely buy allstar in 168(provided you can find a pair)

re Elan M 666 suggested by uc, I am hunting down a flat pair in 176 as my 2nd ski in 2 ski quiver plan for late afternoon crud and chop...longer and wider, likely little drop in performance. Ski Liquidation Center in North Conway has em at good price and had some demo Magfire 12's (similar ski fusion only) as well....Probably a bit higher $$$ than Dawg tho...

my .02

I ski at wa wa a lot...fair chance we could hook up if you have small feet (304mm mine) you could pop mine on for a run or too....

or you could just believe me and buy em

any questions bump my thread and I or other Volkl fans will respond...

I do suspect I would have been very happy with Fischer RX 8 as well. Never bothered to try it, Allstar = perfection for me.
post #14 of 16

Allstar

JoeB:

I spent about 6 weeks demoing everything that seemed to fit my needs. It all boiled down to the Volkl Allstar and the Nordica Speed Machine 16's.

Either one will give you the edge hold and turn energy you are looking for but I think the the Allstar has an edge on both counts though so I chose them.

I skied both the 168 and 175 length. I'm 6' 1" and 200 lbs and although the 175 is the recommended length for me, I liked the 168's better because of the shorter turn radius. And no matter how hard I pushed them, they hung in there. A little tip wandering in very high speed straights but not bad. Anyway I don't speed much time flat on my ptex anyway so who cares. If you don't plan to crank fast tightish turns I would probably go with the 175s which will give you more high speed stability and still great moderatly tight turning: the best of both worlds. On the other hand if you are only sking one ski and also want more agility in mogels the 168 could be the call.

On the subject of is it "too much ski"-
My opinion is, you should expect to get tossed back on your tails now and then. In my mind if that doesn't happen once a day (especially in the afternoon when you are about out of gas) you don't have a ski with enough sack.

On the subject of how much you need to load this ski-
although I ski very hard and very fast (e.g. lots of loading) I did a bit of low speed carving during all of my demos and found the Allstar very well behaved at moderate to slow speeds. Much better than my current skis (Volkl P50 Motion) and most of the others I demoed (Atomic metron(s), Soloman, Rossi Z9, Head Supershape, several Elans and K2's).

I'll be writing a review of what I found during the demo process for those who are still looking for the right ski and who may have the same requirements as I do.
post #15 of 16
Over the course of the two recent back to back demo days here in the East I must have tried 8-10 pairs of skis with no hassles and lots of ski time. Had a blast. I think a pair of 175cm Fischer RX9’s were my favorite. Although other skis also seemed to forgive my ancient technique and suit mid-Atlantic conditions including the Dynastar Legend 4800’s, Atomic Izor 9.7, and Rossignol Zenith Z9.
I think I'm in the neighborhood of JoeB's skill level and speed preferences and I'm curious about the differences between the Fischer RX 8 (which I have not skied) and the 9, which impressed me with a really solid yet fairly nimble ride.
My vitals h/5'10", w/165lbs, age-early 50s, attitude-somewhat mellow medium radius, unless real steep, then sometimes revert to 1980's windshield wiper. Ski mostly groomers, some bumps, some trees, rarely powder, but love it up to about 15 inches. A little past my prime physically. History: currently ride an older shaped Fischer (carve) ski in 183cms. Except for my boyhood, that's the shortest I've ever owned in 40 yrs on snow. Fischer demo guy told me 175cm RX9s were probably a bit long for me, they were the only length he had at the time. I tested the other models mentioned above in shorter lengths ranging from 158 to about 170 and they felt real good too, but just a slight bit insubstantial and tooth picky. This might be my old fogie preference for a little length clouding my assessment?
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by Jamesj
to forgive my ancient technique and suit mid-Atlantic conditions including the Dynastar Legend 4800’s, Atomic Izor 9.7, and Rossignol Zenith Z9.
Jamesj-



...since you mentioned the Z9,,, While on a recent demo spree I spent several hours sking the Z9 (170) recently and loved it but finally gave up on it because it was a bit too soft to hold on our fav conditions here in the NE: hardpack. You will especially be dissapointed if you try running some gates with it. If you want to push it hard, especially on ice or hard pack avoid the Z9.

RX8 sounds like a blast (couldn't find any to demo). Me? I chose the Volkl Allstar and love it.

Haven't skied the others on your list.
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