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post #91 of 95
Originally Posted by mtbakerskier
Bwahahhaahaa, I have a fealing someone here has been smoking some of Glacier's finist, while mixing acid with absinth.

Did you ever stop and think that maybe the boarders at baker are trying to dodge you??? Not only isthere a large boarder population up here, but many of them are some of the top riders in the industry.
*shudder* I remember when it was a sport.
post #92 of 95
Thread Starter 

It's the Optics

Perhaps boarders are trying to dodge me, but it doesn't feel so

Skiers' generally have decent peripheral vision in the direction of travel. Hence, we usually can see bodies entering into our path. Boarders have perhaps 60% vision in the direction of travel (when sliding forward) - or a 40% blind side.

Therefore, if a boarder cuts across the hill, into your path, they likely have no idea they're about to whack you (and themselves).

I don't suspect an insidious boarder plot. Most boarders aren't homicidal - or that well organized. It's optical reality; being mounted sideways has a visual limitation.

Hence, I find I need to be considerably more careful around boarders than around skiers. I've encountered MANY more near-misses via snowboarders veering into me than with skiers.

This conclusion doesn't imply that boarders are pond-scum. Most are totally decent people. However, self-preservation is the issue.

For these reasons, I never feel as relaxed in a high-percentage boarder population as I do around skiers.
post #93 of 95
Wow, you Westerners are soooo sickity steezy that it blows my mind sometimess. Maybe I should give up skiing altogether because I live in a place that isn't exactly conducive to the most gnarly steeps and deepest blower pow you could imagine. Maybe I should switch to some uppity east coast pseudo-ivy (see the colleges and skiing thread; see how many non-20k+/semester schools are listed) so that I can realize that we're all actually just a bunch of hicks sliding down a big frozen bump in the middle of a bunch of farms. Nevermind that dozens of top racers and several freeskiers, namely Nobis, have come out of the midwest.

Screw anyone here who has turned up their nose at us in the midwest. I have a feeling it comes from a bunch of NYC and Denver/SLC day-trippers who think they rip the sickest lines this side of a TGR flick.
post #94 of 95
Originally Posted by Takecontrol618
This post might not make a whole lot of sense, as I've been drinking. A fair bit. I'm not trying to wave my dong around; I'm trying to make my completely honest assessment of Mt. Bohemia as a ski location (resort doesnt really fit a place with a yurt for a lodge). Take it as you will.
Just to chime in here...I've skiied Bohemia a few times, DV a few times, and got up to Baker once. For accessible off-piste, Bohemia is actually not far behind DV in either size or pitch, and not too far behind in average snowfall, either (270" v 350"). The lake-effect snow is usually nice and light, too - not quite as light as Utah, but definitely light. Baker offers a lot more hairy off-piste, of course, and much more average snowfall, but that's Cascade snow; I like it just fine, but it's not exactly fluffy. And at Bohemia, there are no beginners anywhere, and often just plain nobody else at all; not much competition for the goods, and everybody out there knows what they're doing. Here's a shot I took on the front lift on Sunday, last President's Day weekend (Feb 20), about 1 PM, which is usually a heinously crowded day at most Western areas; it shows a pretty typical liftline for Bohemia:

A typical day at Bohemia kicks my ass worse than a typical day at most Western areas I've been to.
post #95 of 95
While I generally hate the guy who won't let a thread die that has run it's course, I would like to offer my $.02. The deal here is that your skis don't care if a place is snobby, where the snow is, or how good the lunch is. However, if there is good terain to ski - no matter how crowded or expensive the ticket is it's a good resort.

Deer Valley is expensive. No one denys that. But when you pay, they deliver. I have never skiied the other two mountains listed in this thread but I would venture to say that they also deliver. To say DV isn't of the calibur to compare to MB (either of them) is just as stupid as the blanket statement about snowboarders. However, having skiied mostly at deer valley for the last few years, I always thought people were overblowing the reckless snowboarder problem... It's obvious that snowboarding is inherently more dangerous than skiing. You have less control, less stopping power, and less vision. That doesn't mean it's not just as much fun or that people are degenerate little hoodlums for doing it.
It's just a fact that you are more likely to see a boarder - boarder or boarder - skier collision than a skiier - skiier collision even though the numbers are still in favor of skiiers.
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