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Ski Length, Shape, and venue Recommendations

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
I'm a 6'0" 235lbs male, and I consider myself a Level 8 Advanced skiier(b/w intermediate and expert). I ski 90% of the time on the "ice rinks" of the northeast and the other 10% out west in powder. So dont know if its worth it getting a ski that performs well in powder.
I ski in Central-Southern Vermont and Hunter mostly.
More often than not I make shorter turns, but I avoid steeper mogul runs when possible, but enjoy riding gentle bumps.
For my knees and stamina sake, I'm realizing that longer carving turns are in my best interest so would like a ski that could handle both short and long turns I guess (but if not possible then I guess I'd go with a short turn ski).

So wondering what ski length as well as what shape dimensions(ex.108/69/98)/radius that you guys reccomend based on the above?

Also, I am obviously in the market for a pair of skis but wanted to hear your guys advice on what specific models you recommend? (please note I am looking for a near-mint-condition pair of used (ebay) or ski shop left-overs and dont want to spend more than $150-200)

Now I know you'll be tempted to say "Well, Why dont we just buy the ski's for you?", haha but your input is also appreciated if you can recommend how (where, when) to go about buying a quality pair of skis such as this for that price.

Thanks Very Much Guys

PS- My last pair of skis were a straight pair of size 200 Fischer Pure Machine SL.
post #2 of 11
Thread Starter 

to expand...

and by where, I mean either:
a) local suburb ski shop (in general)
b) mountain ski shop (in general)
c) a particular website
e) ebay
post #3 of 11
Price range makes it difficult, but here's a pair I am selling. The bindings are set up for a 326mm boot sole length at the moment.

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=34080
post #4 of 11
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Originally Posted by k63wilson
I'm a 6'0" 235lbs male, and I consider myself a Level 8 Advanced skiier(b/w intermediate and expert). I ski 90% of the time on the "ice rinks" of the northeast and the other 10% out west in powder. Also, I am obviously in the market for a pair of skis but wanted to hear your guys advice on what specific models you recommend? (please note I am looking for a near-mint-condition pair of used (ebay) or ski shop left-overs and dont want to spend more than $150-200)
Hi KW,

Its possible to find a good $200.00 ski on ebay, but be prepared to search on a regular basis until that one out of ten thousand deal shows up.


$300 is a bit more realistic. A three year old model that is being blown out on clearance is your best bet. I'm also a big guy, so I know there are a few bargains to consider.

However, this is a bargain I purchased last year with no regrets.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Rossignol-T-Power-Cobra-X-size-181-Snow-Skis-New-Dual_W0QQitemZ8754227761QQcategoryZ21245QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The Rossignol Cobra X is a good east coast ski that will also cruise the groomers out-west. Rossignol made the Cobra X in 2003. I own a pair in the 181 size. The Cobra X is more GS than SL but the ski is very quick edge to edge and an effortless carver. Its very stable at higher recreational speeds and is doable in soft snow due the the 106-67-95 side cut. The 181cm length is good for your size.

Hope That Helps,

Michael
post #5 of 11

VT ski shops

Hi,

It sounds like you're looking for a pure East Coast carving ski.

If you're really on the cheap, you could look for an Atomic Beta Carv 10.16 or 11.16, probably $75-100 now, older technology but still great for East Coast snow. Newer R10, R11's, or C11's would probably also be a good bet.

For someone with real current gear knowledge, call Basin Ski or Aspen East in Killington. They both have websites. Last year's or even year before's skis in a longer length due to your size should not be too hard to find. With a bit of searching and good guidance, you can find a killer deal. Older Rossi Vipers or Cobras, Volkl's or Atomics are fantastic in the East for what you're looking for. Basin Ski shows a few options on their website in 180's that would be good choices. I don't know what their stock situation is, though. Basin's usually very helpful - if not, ask for Rick (the owner) and tell him you want to get an older ski out of his stock and what your situation is. They are also cheaper than Aspen East in my experience.
post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the feedback and advice so far.
I rented a pair of size 175 Salomon Screams two weeks ago and it was a night and day difference from my old straight size 200 Fischers. I'm embarrassed to say this but that was the first time I skiied on shaped skis, and I loved every minute of it, such a delight. Since I had such a blast on 175's i was thinking 170-175's were the way to go, but if you guys think 180's are best for my height/weight/skill, I'll definitely go with you guys on that.

Silly question, but with ebay, do you guys think if I'm okay with waiting till the spring/summer I'll be much better off waiting till then to find a gem, and probably easier time finding one as well.

And thanks for the shopping recommendations. After rethinking it, I am more in the range of $75-$150 for a pair of used or older skis (w/ or w/o bindings as I have a decent pair).... Just to make the search even more impossible... then again, I do love a challenge!!!

Also, what radius should I be looking for skiing in the N.E., that can handle the ice but also be so easy to turn they "ski" for me?

Thanks-
KW

PS- I know I've been throwing a lot of questions at you, so in the future I will try to seperate my questions as much as possible (I'm a newbie to bulletin boards as well as shaped skiis).
post #7 of 11
Past about April/May, it will be hard to find the skis you want in the sizes you want. But the prices do continue to drop through the summer. I tried nabbing post-season skis on e-bay in 2004, and it was definitely hard (plus the prices were not all that great). I ended up getting new skis later that fall, in a pre-season sale. Even though I paid more, it felt good to be totally in control of the purchase!

Given your height and weight, I would not go any shorter than 180cm unless it's a ski like the Volkl 6* that can be skied 175cm (but you have to stay on top of those skis, they are truly experts-only). I am 6-1 225lb and have been very comfortable in the 180-185cm range. Skiers in our height/weight range can pretty much automatically go for the biggest ski in a particular model lineup (we're the customers those skis are sized for). I find the downsizing trend to be OK for intermediates, but experts need a properly sized ski for situations like ice, fast speeds, or extreme conditions. There is no substitute for edge grip and control!

I think you will have a hard time getting a decent/recent expert ski in the $75-150 range. I still see old straight skis selling in that price range (the good ones at least). We paid $150 for some decent beginner skis for my wife recently, they were last season leftovers. Even 2002-ish leftover expert skis are still going for $300-400 on the internet. Given the price of lift tickets these days, I think you can afford to ratchet up your equioment budget. You're likely to have these skis for a long time, and put many days on them. If you ski just 10 days a season, that's $500-800 annually depending on where you ski. Putting that much investment in the skiing would drive me to spend more money on the gear....

And my final advice -- research skis thoroughly, demo, and read reviews here. Do not choose a ski based on a deal or price, because you stand a good chance of being disappointed later on. And then all you have accomplished is taking $150 out of your future budget for the skis you really wanted! Time and time again, I have realized that I am better off getting the best equipment I can rather than cutting corners. Nothing sucks worse than being disappointed in your new gear.

Good luck!

Craig
post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 
Well I took a small punt (only $59!!!) and bought those Rossignol Cobra X 181's that Mike reccomended, but I put in my eBay bid before I read Craigs last post. What Craig said actually changed my mind about how much I wanted to spend but since I already won the auction guess I'll just go with them for the rest of the season. And like you guys said even the $59 + $30 s/h amortized over a ski season is pittens.

Now I could use a new pair of boots... i have read on other discussions that you should definitely go to a ski shop to get fitted properly and I totally agree... but in my few experiences at ski shops i feel like i'm being ripped off, so dont want to be taken for the Aston Martin when all I need is an Audi. Not the greatest analogy but you catch my drift, I want to go in there knowing what to get.

So can you recommend some proper boot models that are suited for my above description?
What are the things I should look out for? (think I saw on another board about getting boots with something called a certain flex setting??)
What should I be paying? (ballpark estimate)
How much for used (ebay)?
post #9 of 11
Hi KW,

Boots are always a top priority over skis, especially for a skier who wants maximum bang for the buck. I think you will like the Cobra X, this ski was meant to compete with top end ski-cross skis like the Dynastar Skicross 9.

Buying boots online is very hazardous. The savings are real, but unless the boot you buy is almost the same model as the boot you own and trust, the online bargain could be an total fit and performance disaster.

Many of the Big Box retailers will sell new-old-stock boots for a fraction of the cost of newer models. Also, the specialty retailers are negotiable on 1 or 2 year old new-stock boots.

Use the boot fitting method in the FAQ section of this thread and decide what "family" of boots work for your feet. I know that Salomon Course, Tecnica Icon & Diablos fit me, while the Langes are too narrow and the Salomon Waves are too wide, for example.

Then search for a bargain at retail or at ski swaps.

This website has good boot info: http://www.bootfitters.com/

Hope that helped,

Michael
post #10 of 11
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Originally Posted by k63wilson
Well I took a small punt (only $59!!!) and bought those Rossignol Cobra X 181's that Mike reccomended, but I put in my eBay bid before I read Craigs last post. What Craig said actually changed my mind about how much I wanted to spend but since I already won the auction guess I'll just go with them for the rest of the season. And like you guys said even the $59 + $30 s/h amortized over a ski season is pittens.

Sounds like you are officially a gear whore like the rest of us! Welcome to the club. Glad my advice had an impact but was meaningless in the end -- just like always!! Hope you enjoy the new skis -- that seems like a pretty decent deal.

Some ski shops will cut a deal on boots, so shop around. My sister in law just got some decent leftover boots from last season for half price.

Craig
post #11 of 11
The money you saved in skis, put towards your boots. if you get lucky and find leftover boots and not a lot for fitting, take that money and get a lesson or two.
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