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How much does a new pair of all-mountain skis & bindings weigh?

post #1 of 11
1/22/06 at 5:51pm
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I know of course this varies with the size of the ski. But take the average 170-180 cm or so pair (72mm under foot) with bindings.

I just bought a new pair of 168cm Atomic izor 9.7 skis with the new Neox 4.12 bidnings and they feel VERY heavy to me. Compared to my old 180 cm Atomic Ride 8.18 (just about the same sidecut dimensions) these Izors feel even heavier. Are new skis just heavier than skis made a few years ago? I have not weighed them yet but everyone is telling me that the Izors are supposed to be lighter than most...nano technology or something like that!

Anyone have weights of their new all-mountain skis so I can compare? I may need to start lifting weights again just to carry them from car to mountain!

Thanks,

Marc
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post #2 of 11
1/22/06 at 6:22pm
First off you were thinking of carbon fiber, not nano tech. And I will tell you the wieght of my ripsticks when they come.
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post #3 of 11
1/22/06 at 6:35pm
You won't notice it once you make a few runs on them. The Izor has much more "in it" than the old 8.18. The 8.18 was mostly foam and fiberglass. The Izor, while I don't know if it has metal, does have a significant amount of some other material (not sure if it is actually carbon fiber) that makes up the load bearing part of the ski. This is a very torsionally stiff, fairly dense material, which would probably make them slightly heavier than you are used to.

Of the heaviest skis out there are skis that have a lot of metal in them as and/or a heavy binding. The early Neox binding weighed a ton (not really a ton, but a lot), thus made the weight of the Metron series seem like it was a lot more than it really was. Now they use a titanium heel and it curbs the weight down a little.

Later

GREG
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post #4 of 11
1/23/06 at 8:29am
According to Atomic's site, and all the mags, Izors actually do use what they call "nanotechnology," meaning that like Wilson tennis raquets, they embed silicon molecules in the main material, be it graphite or fiberglass. Not quite like Buckyballs, but still qualifies as nano, I'd guess.

As far as weight, my old Atomic Rex's (183's) weighed 7.4 lbs apiece with Look bindings. For comparison, my current Fischer RX8's (170) weigh 7.0 lbs apiece with Tyrolias, my Fischer AMC 76's (170) weigh 7.2 lbs, same bindings, and my Volkl Mantras (177) weigh 7.1 lbs with Tyrolia Mojo Bindings. Heaviest skies I've ever owned were my Volkl 6* (7.8 lbs@168) and the lightest were Dynastar Legend 8000 with Looks (6.8 lbs@172).

All of which suggests that there's less variability in ski weights than we assume...
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post #5 of 11
1/23/06 at 8:58am
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Originally Posted by gores95
I know of course this varies with the size of the ski. But take the average 170-180 cm or so pair (72mm under foot) with bindings.

I just bought a new pair of 168cm Atomic izor 9.7 skis with the new Neox 4.12 bidnings and they feel VERY heavy to me. Compared to my old 180 cm Atomic Ride 8.18 (just about the same sidecut dimensions) these Izors feel even heavier. Are new skis just heavier than skis made a few years ago? I have not weighed them yet but everyone is telling me that the Izors are supposed to be lighter than most...nano technology or something like that!

Anyone have weights of their new all-mountain skis so I can compare? I may need to start lifting weights again just to carry them from car to mountain!

Thanks,

Marc
Probably not as much as my metrons, but they ski great! And serve as a great leg conditioner on the chair. Just lift in sequence RT-LFT all the way to the top. What a work out. I bet Atomic could market the idea!:
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post #6 of 11
1/23/06 at 9:15am
Here's a quick sample out of my quiver:

Elan S12 (168cm) with Tyrolia Cyber Carbon D9 and Carving Plate = 8.0
Elan M666 (168cm) with Tyrolia Cyber Carbon D9 on Free Flex Plate = 7.6
Stockli Stormrider XL (174cm) with Marker Comp 14.0 PC Turbo = 7.2
Volant Machete FB (175cm) with Look P12 = 8.9
Volant Machete Sin (165cm) with Tyrolia Mojo 15 = 7.7

Surprisingly, my Elan S12 skis are really heavy (and stiff) - they're about the same length as my Machete Sins, but are narrower and heavier at the same time. They sure can rip some serious carves on the groomers - not a ton of fun in the moguls if you get in the back seat though.
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post #7 of 11
1/23/06 at 2:44pm
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I just put one ski on the bathroom scale. Not that precise a measurement to be sure but each ski looked to be about 7 pounds or so. I guess this is the norm then.
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post #8 of 11
1/23/06 at 2:52pm
Anywhere from 12 lb to 18 lb per pair, depending on the ski and the binding setup. 14 lb is pretty typical. A 1 lb per ski difference is VERY noticeable, and I think I would be able to notice a 1/2 lb difference, if tested. Having some weight in a ski is nice for stablity, but too much hurts manuverablity, and ease of skiing, even for an advanced/expert skier.
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post #9 of 11
1/23/06 at 8:09pm
Rode a pair of 72 M11's and they were flat out heavy but they still rode great. I noticed the weight more on the chair than the slopes.

<M
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post #10 of 11
1/23/06 at 9:32pm
HS, make sure you clarify that you aren't talking about a huge maneuverability issue until upwards of 17 or 18 lbs. I personally feel that once you get used to the weight of a ski it is no longer an issue. Likely if you are switching between a light pair of skis and a heavy pair of skis you will notice the difference. Most of my skis are pretty heavy (as was mentioned ofr stability, and they are loaded with metal), but I still find them [even the GS skis and FB's] fairly maneuverable... they just require a little more effort.
Later
GREG
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post #11 of 11
1/25/06 at 7:43pm
162 Metron M10 w/o binding weighs 1980 grams /4 lbs. 6 oz.

04-05 Neox 1670 grams / 3.68 lbs
05-06 Neox 1420 grams / 3.13 lbs.

Device bindings are 1 lb 10 oz ea

Help me find a track plate. gordo
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