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post #151 of 176
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Originally Posted by Bridgeman
I bet mr. snowboarder is real careful from now on. Probably did him a favor by by giving him a beating before he really hurt someone badly with his carelessness. Thumbs up to vigilante guy!!!!
He was just sitting there at first. Now that carelessness if I've ever seen it:

According to the "eye" witness"es"
post #152 of 176
I never resort to fisticuffs, I let my two friends settle arguments for me (Smith & Wesson).
post #153 of 176
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Originally Posted by Stache
I never resort to fisticuffs, I let my two friends settle arguments for me (Smith & Wesson).
Hmm...I've been watching a baseball sized bruise on my thigh go from black to blue to green to yellow over the past few weeks, all thanks to falling on my snowboard tool. Like an idiot, I forgot to remove the flathead chuck before putting it back into my cargo pocket!

I can't imagine the mark a Smith & Wesson would leave on my body if I fell on it!
post #154 of 176
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Originally Posted by PaulR
As I read this post I see why I don't really care much for skiing now like I did in the past. As I stated in a post I made a while ago I am in my 50's and got back into skiing after 20 years. People on the hill are very rude today. It's not like skiing in the 70's and 80's as I remember. So many people seem to be just interested in themselves and don't care to even think of others, whether it is in the lift line or on the hill. This goes for the ski area staff where I am too. They really dont seem to do much in the way of trying to curb some of the out of control stuff and dont listen to you when you speak up. Everything is totally different. Its just not fun like I remember it and is more like a 'everyone for themselves so get the hell out of my way' type attitude among the skiers.
Paul R.

What you see is simply a reflection of society. I remember growing up and being aware/concerned with staying within the excepted perameters of whatever activity I was participating in. Seems like there used to be consequences one faced when you violated the excepted norms. For instance when playing baseball, you didn't slide spikes high into second base unless you wanted your shortstop/ 2 bager to get the same thing in return. When working out at a gym as a teenager you avoided screwing around like an idiot b/c the older guys made it clear they did not appreciate such behavior, and thus the fear of a good old fashioned whupping maintained a bit of order.

Now we find ourselves in the time of anything goes anywhere. So you do see a lot of rude/idiotic behavior on the slopes. But, I do not believe we see more of that behavior on the slopes than we see it in the rest of life. Such behavior just stands out more on the mountain.

What is the answer? I am not 100% sure, but I think we ought to all call these rude/idiotic individuals on there behavior. Instead we all turn a blind eye because "we don't want to get involved" or "it is none of our business" or "it won't do any good anyway". Frankly, when we see a kid standing under a blindspot (ie. cat track) or sitting in the middle of a trail, we ought to tell the person to move his/her Ass before they get killed, or before they contribute to an accident.

Experienced sliders need to share ther knowledge with newbies or else the newbies will never learn what is acceptable. After the knowledge is shared I am not sure what would work, but Mt. Snow's Mike Tyson impersonator might just be what is needed to put the consequence back into play when someone flagrantly flaunts accepted norms (safety based) at the expense of others.

As a still young guy (30's) I can clearly remember the power of potential public humiliation as an effective method of behavior modification. Problem is, nobody fears public humiliation anymore even when they act attrociously. Instead the young punk is likely to say "what you gonna do about it *itch". If we reestablished the mere threat of public humiliation we might see improved behavior on the mountain and in the rest of society.

Just a thought
post #155 of 176

Stafford

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Originally Posted by huckingfellers
No that is not what you have to look forward to in VT. It was race night; tons of kids at a smaller local place. Correct Bonni?

Where are you going?
I eventually will do all the Vermont places. For my first visit to Vermont I picked Stafford (simply because I get to stay in my friend's boss' condo, LOL)
post #156 of 176
This is why I'm glad I ski on Mondays. It's a jungle out there. Anybody watching the World Cup lately. Forget who it was but he crashed at the finish line and wiped out the camera man and a few others. Got up and was like YEA!
post #157 of 176
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Originally Posted by freeskinow
The boarder was not running he was boarding from my prespective. He still had one foot in the binding on the board.

I posted the other report on TGR and I have to tell you that this isn't true.

The snowboarder extricated himself from his bindings with great effort and then sprinted past me on his way to a total body-check into the skier.

Just thought I'd try to set the record straight.
post #158 of 176
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JMO
I posted the other report on TGR and I have to tell you that this isn't true.

The snowboarder extricated himself from his bindings with great effort and then sprinted past me on his way to a total body-check into the skier.

Just thought I'd try to set the record straight.
I didn't see anything prior to the skier being down in a sprall. Then he got up and started yelling and swearing at the boarder who I thought was still on the board. That's how it appeared to me, but I believe your version of the story.

Did you help break it up? What were you wearing?

The skier seemed unprovoked to me because I didn't see the hit. Do you agree that the skier could fight? He struck me as a pissed off hockey player. It was a good thing the boarder didn't have a jersey on because the skier would have pulled it over his head like they do on the rink!

It appears the boarder made a judgement error. I hope he learns from his mistakes. Do you think we'll see him this weekend?
post #159 of 176

Road, snow, airport rage is BullSh_t

BC13,
Being a little older than you, i was raised with similar respect for sociatal rules. I also learned self restraint, being the kid that was picked on the most, in school. I also learned respect for acting appropriatly in public.
Part of the blame, of how many people act, I put on, the mental health profs, rationalizing abhorant behavior by saying," It's not his/her fault. They were driven to it.", The legal system buying into it, and parents not parenting and allowing this behavior because they want to be thier kids' friend. Yes i do realize some people had physical and chemical problems in thier heads, but i feel most of it comes down to a , "I want it my way and i want it now", mentality that seems to have become permissable.

Anebolic steroids can make you crazy, what about the groth hormones injected into our meat?

No I am not perfect, nor i my wife or my kids. I am raising the kids to respect others, and to think before thay act and to accept blame when they get caught. Will they do something stupid? yes. I just hope they don't get hurt or hurt someone else.
post #160 of 176
[quote=eyeski]This is why I'm glad I ski on Mondays. It's a jungle out there. quote]

We ski on Monday nights. It's also race night. Scratch that.
post #161 of 176
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Originally Posted by NYCJIM
I eventually will do all the Vermont places. For my first visit to Vermont I picked Stafford (simply because I get to stay in my friend's boss' condo, LOL)
Can't beat that deal my man!! Sweet. Though I never heard of Stafford. I only head to the big places in VT I have a 4 hour drive to the mad river valley, (Suagarbush, Mad river Glenn) MRG is sweeeet and 5 1/2 to Jay peak in Northen most VT. You'll have fun. Vt is a good atmosphere usually at those resorts. i stay away from Killington in midwinter though. Mobs upon mobs of crowds. Have fun man
post #162 of 176
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Originally Posted by freeskinow
I didn't see anything prior to the skier being down in a sprall. Then he got up and started yelling and swearing at the boarder who I thought was still on the board. That's how it appeared to me, but I believe your version of the story.

Did you help break it up? What were you wearing?

The skier seemed unprovoked to me because I didn't see the hit. Do you agree that the skier could fight? He struck me as a pissed off hockey player. It was a good thing the boarder didn't have a jersey on because the skier would have pulled it over his head like they do on the rink!

It appears the boarder made a judgement error. I hope he learns from his mistakes. Do you think we'll see him this weekend?
I didn't help break it up because the fight happened about 20 yards away from where I was standing but I do think I should have stepped in the snowboarder's way as he sprinted past me. It was obvious that he was beligerent.
post #163 of 176
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Originally Posted by JMO
I didn't help break it up because the fight happened about 20 yards away from where I was standing but I do think I should have stepped in the snowboarder's way as he sprinted past me. It was obvious that he was beligerent.
What would that of acomplished besides you getting smacked to the ground? I am willing to bet you would of made it worse or got yourself involved in a fight. Best to stay out of an angry mans way and let the proper people deal with it.
post #164 of 176
I have lurked off and on for a while but felt I needed to add to this thread.

I am a 50 day per year skier and I have skied 40-50 days per year since 1989. That's like close to 1000 days!!

I have never hit anyone!!!! I would lay it down, re-direct my fall and get hurt myself before I ever hit anyone.

I was hit by an out of control snowboarder at Killington on January 1st. I have missed the entire month of January with a sprained knee as a result. I had my MRI Friday and I have no tear but my MCL is severely sprained. I have permanent cartilige damage. I was supposed to go to Utah on 2/10 but had to cancel. I don't know when i can ski again. My husband and i have $1700 invested in lift tickets that are going to waste (he does not want to ski without me- I have tried to get him to go)

At the time of the incident I did not realize how badly i was hurt and I continued to ski for a while. So don't be so sure that people are not seriously injured just because they look OK.

What that snowboarder did was nothing short of assault and he should have been arrested. The downhill skier/boarder ALWAYS has the right of way. NO EXCUSES!! :

If you are in a car and you rearend someone, YOU always get the ticket! It's that same on the slopes.

I do not hate snowboarders. My husband is an accomplished snowboarder as well as a skier and telemarker. He said that if he had been on his skis he would have chased the guy down.

We have a strategy for next time. Anyone EVER hits one of us again and we are going to remove their lift ticket. I don't care if it's a season pass or a day ticket. You hit someone, you are done for the day. If you want to complain feel free to give ski patrol your name. I'll have you arrested for assault. i believe that case law exists to support that. If not I will sue you for damages.

This situation has got to stop. I repeat....THE DOWNHILL SKIER/BOARDER ALWAYS HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY!!!!!!!
post #165 of 176
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Originally Posted by huckingfellers
What would that of acomplished besides you getting smacked to the ground? I am willing to bet you would of made it worse or got yourself involved in a fight. Best to stay out of an angry mans way and let the proper people deal with it.
This is my strategy every weekend on the train home from NYC at midnight. You wouldn't believe the stuff that goes on. I mean think about it. We're on a train, you can hardly move and people want to kill each other. Too much stress going on. Prolly why I like Utah. Pretty peacefull place.
post #166 of 176

agree with VT2

VT2 I hope you recover soon and have an easy rehab...that is one of my worst nightmares. I have never even come close to hitting someone (well, I take that back, when I was a total beginner another guy and I ended up crotch to crotch, drawn to each other like helpless wobbly magnets, neither of us was able to actually steer, just sort of clutched at each other..but I digress)
totally right about the right of way, your story illustrates that!
But funny, I have a very quick explosive temper: : but I remember when I pulled out of my driveway one morning without looking and plowed headon into a truck...totally and completely my fault. I was shaking, sitting in my car, just dreading the wrath of the ohter driver which I totally deserved, and then this enormous guy gets out of his truck, slowly walks over to my window, I am just quivering, he bends down and says, "Are you okay? You look pretty shaken.." he was so incredibly decent I hope that if that ever happend to me, I would remember him. He had every right to rip me a new one, but he didn't. Was just a very nice guy. some people (so far, not me) are really good in those situations and don't make them worse (as I would tend to do).
post #167 of 176
Thanks for your good wishes. I too have quite a temper. Honestly, i would be way less mad about my injury if the snowboarder who hit me took responsibility for his actions and apologized. The hit I took was bad enough to take my skis off and shred a carbon pole into pieces. The snowboarder was on the ground telling me that it was my fault because I turned in from of him. That's what they always say. I was going straight. I look behind me before I cross trails.

I realize after reading all 6 pages of posts that my story is only slightly related to the Mt. Snow story. However, I do think the issues that others have brought up really get highlighted with my story.

Many People do not take responsibility for their actions these days. They do not respect other people's life or property. The Skier/boarders's saftey code is ignored.

We are re-thinking where to ski in VT next year already. Commercial mounatins are OUT on big weekends and holidays. Give me Burke, Magic, Suicide, Bear Creek, Mad river, Bolton, Pico, Middlebury or Smuggs anyday. I don't think we'll be buying an ASC pass next year. At least I don't have to be scared of getting hit by someone at the less comercial places.
post #168 of 176
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Originally Posted by NYCJIM
I eventually will do all the Vermont places. For my first visit to Vermont I picked Stafford (simply because I get to stay in my friend's boss' condo, LOL)
No ski area named Stafford in Vermont, assume you must be referring to Stratton.
post #169 of 176
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Originally Posted by SkiVT2
THE DOWNHILL SKIER/BOARDER ALWAYS HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY!!!!!!!
Roger That, but even though I shouldn't have to look up hill I always do. Saved my ass a few times for doing just that.

That really sucks that you were injured too. Speedy recovery to you !
post #170 of 176
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Originally Posted by JHrefugee
No ski area named Stafford in Vermont, assume you must be referring to Stratton.
I was thinking the same thing. But I thought he might of known something I ddid not
post #171 of 176
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Originally Posted by SkiVT2
Many People do not take responsibility for their actions these days. They do not respect other people's life or property. The Skier/boarders's saftey code is ignored.

We are re-thinking where to ski in VT next year already. Commercial mounatins are OUT on big weekends and holidays. Give me Burke, Magic, Suicide, Bear Creek, Mad river, Bolton, Pico, Middlebury or Smuggs anyday. I don't think we'll be buying an ASC pass next year. At least I don't have to be scared of getting hit by someone at the less comercial places.
my sympathies on reading about your accident. reading your tale brought back memories of the snowboarder who ploughed into my sister (fracturing her ankle) a number of years ago at killington.

for any multi-day ski trip, i prefer to book mid-week stays. it's a less than optimal arrangement because it eats into my vacation days but at least the slopes are less packed which means i get quality time to ski and work on my technique and the reckless skiiers/boarders are all hopefully in school or someplace else far from the mountain. weekends on most any mountain, 'commercial' or otherwise, draws the crowds, liberally sprinkled with your one-day warriors and thus a higher likelihood of accidents.

let the rabid masses have 'the beast of the east'...
post #172 of 176
Night Skiing---my peace and quiet. At our hill the mogul run is quite challenging. Very short run, but steep big bumps with 3'0 drops. No teens on this hill. Every once in a while, some yooot will try it.....the lift offers a great view of the poor guy. This provides warning to the others "don't do it, expecially if you are hanging with your girl---you won't impress her. Got it all to myself from 8-10 pm. Our terrain park is on the opposite side of the hill. Good planning!

8am runs are also very nice---but too many of us are there to enjoy.
post #173 of 176
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Originally Posted by GregGaspar
Night Skiing---my peace and quiet. At our hill the mogul run is quite challenging. Very short run, but steep big bumps with 3'0 drops. No teens on this hill. Every once in a while, some yooot will try it.....the lift offers a great view of the poor guy. This provides warning to the others "don't do it, expecially if you are hanging with your girl---you won't impress her. Got it all to myself from 8-10 pm. Our terrain park is on the opposite side of the hill. Good planning!

8am runs are also very nice---but too many of us are there to enjoy.
I assume you're referring to the Liberty elevator shafts?

At Whitetail, the bumps are pretty good, normal sized, good lines and on an appropriately pitched hill. I used to love those elevator shafts at Liberty. Then I got old and my back made me pay for it.

Back your regularly scheduled program
post #174 of 176
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Originally Posted by uncle crud
Ice Queen, crowded ski areas near metro areas are going to see more of this kind of thing as long as America continues to be the "blame others first" nation, and as long as we have a POTUS who proclaims by deed that selfishness is supreme.
Why are political comments allowed on this skiing board?

Well, seems like they are, so I'll just add:

Kerry lost. Deal with it.
post #175 of 176
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
What in the world does this mean? (Seriously, I'm feeling outta the loop here.)

Some new dryland training for skiers, in preparation for the coming war against the dreaded snowboarders:
Uummm....shouldn't he have ski boots on for this to be a really effective exercise?
post #176 of 176
You should never fight unless you're willing to risk killing (or being killed). Believe me, it can happen easier than you think... I've seen it.
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