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Why are ski pants so much money???

post #1 of 72
Thread Starter 
I've not spared expenses for my first pair of boots and skis, but I draw the line with ski pants.

I bought a pair at Modell sporting Goods for like 20 bucks. they're warm and look good to me.

why would i want to spend up to 200 dollars for the ski pants they have in ski shops???

i tried 2 pair on today just to see if the comfort might warrant spending that type of cash. they didn't feel any different than the 20 buck pair i have.
post #2 of 72
Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCJIM
I've not spared expenses for my first pair of boots and skis, but I draw the line with ski pants.

I bought a pair at Modell sporting Goods for like 20 bucks. they're warm and look good to me.

why would i want to spend up to 200 dollars for the ski pants they have in ski shops???

i tried 2 pair on today just to see if the comfort might warrant spending that type of cash. they didn't feel any different than the 20 buck pair i have.

It is the Gore Tex and the name of the brand. Plus they last longer and are higher quality.
post #3 of 72
Sounds like your just getting into skiing. Good Quality ski clothing can be very expensive. The $20.00 pants that you now have are most likely not water proof or breathable. They might look good but trust me They won't be all that great once your out on the mountain. In a few hours in cold temps and bad weather You will be wishing you had those $200.00 pants.
The fabrics used in the more expensive pants are waterproof and breathable. Those qualities are well worth the extra expense. When you sweat and the moisture vapors get locked in the inside of your pants gets very wet. When you stop moving ,like riding the lift up You can become chilled. With a waterproof breathable fabric the moisture is wicked away from your skin. Your drier, comfortable and able to spend more time on the mountain having fun. Wait a few weeks and those $200.00 ski pants will be on sale. Some on line retailers like Sierra Trading post and Overstock.com have some great deals on quality made ski clothing. I have seen well made goretex pants for around $100.00
post #4 of 72
If you want a cheap sport play basketball; wait until you see lift ticket prices.
post #5 of 72
In addition to not being waterproof, the $20 pants will get cut up on the inside pant legs from the skis. The $200 GorTex pair will have something (some pants use kevlar) on the insides of the pant legs to protect the pants from the skis edges.
post #6 of 72
Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCJIM
I've not spared expenses for my first pair of boots and skis, but I draw the line with ski pants.

I bought a pair at Modell sporting Goods for like 20 bucks. they're warm and look good to me.

why would i want to spend up to 200 dollars for the ski pants they have in ski shops???

i tried 2 pair on today just to see if the comfort might warrant spending that type of cash. they didn't feel any different than the 20 buck pair i have.
"Mr. Federer in New Jersy asks............." Roseanne Rosannadannah
post #7 of 72
While we're on the subject what pants would you guys recomend, I happen to be in the market.
post #8 of 72

Marmot for me

I have a pair of Marmots that I just love.
post #9 of 72
In all honesty, ski pants are usually overpriced: 200$ is way too much if you have a good base layer and just ski the groomed (the pow is another matter entirely). I usually just ski in my speed suit with some training shorts thrown over them. Even in minus 0 temps and even when it snows.

20$ pants are pretty cheap tough and won't last a few falls. Good pants can be had for around 80 bucks.
post #10 of 72
When it is wet at the bottom and ice at the top, you will not have to ask that question again.

That's when "method acting" skills will pay off.

You can act warm and dry.
post #11 of 72
I have worn shorts and a GS suit when it is 5 degrees, and the suit has very little insulating value in those conditions, IMO. It does provide significantly more freedom of movement than any pants due to the spandex.
post #12 of 72
It more or less boils down to "the more money you spend on ski clothes, the more days you can ski comfortably". This isn't a perfect rule, of course, but on a sunny day a $20 pair of jeans works just fine.

I've been using $100 (relatively cheap) pants for a few years. They are 100% A.O.K. until you get wind with warm precip (freezing rain, or small crytals). Then they soak through very quickly. If you're willing to avoid those days, as most recreational skiers are, then you don't need to spend a fortune.

Also save money by buying at the end of the season for up to 50% off. The longer you wait, the smaller your slection will be, though.
post #13 of 72
I paid $35 for a pair of Head ski pants at Costco which have really good insulation (not goretex but they are breathable), and $80 online for a Columbia 3-in-1 Titanium ski jacket which was $200+ at local shops. Like everything else in skiing, clothing is expensive but some good deals can be had if you look around.

I'm a cheap bastard and can't bring myself to pay (or afford) retail prices for ski equipment. I think unless I start freeskiing in Valdez, I won't be needing those $200 ski pants
post #14 of 72
As others have said... wait for a day when it's cold up top and wet at the base OR the wind is howling like there's no tomorrow. Then tell me how your $20 pants are performing. I have a pair of Mammot pants and they breathe well and keep out the nasties like cold and moisture PLUS they have zips in the sides for those times I overheat. All this from a pair of uninsulated pants that cost slightly more than $200. I still have my older (circa. 1986) SOS pants that although not overly waterproof, are still in one piece without cuts or abrasions (son uses them now). Again, try that with the $20 surplus store knock-off's.

I prefer to spend a bit more on things I'm going to use to remain comfortable and functional. I learnt a very long time ago not to cut costs on items such as this. You only end up unhappy and/or frustrated and end up replacing them with the correct gear anyway.

Finally, as ChrisInSeattle (we share the same first name) suggests, buy at the end of season or off-season when you can save quite a bit or simply buy "last years" fashion at a good saving over current trends.
post #15 of 72
I had looked at some pants at the $200 Canadian/$175 US mark, and liked some of them well enough.
Then I thought I'd see what going up in price a little would do - and found pants that feel as if I'm wearing nothing, are waterproof and breathable, taped seams, season's pass pocket, Ipod pocket, all the handy features you could want - but what I like best (yes, I got them) is the feeling of freedom. I didn't know I was lacking a feeling of freedom, really.
During last weekend's powder feast at Whistler these pants pants saved me untold amounts of energy because of their fit and light weight.

I guess everyone's choice of pants varies, so it probably doesn't matter but the particular pants I got are the Spyder Team Venom CR Johnson Singature pants.
There is red, black and for some reason, white. I'm way too scared of tree wells and avalanches to wear white clothing. Good in a park, I guess.

bte - good thoughts to CR Johnson - he was in a coma for 10 days after an accident during a filming for a movie. He spent more than a month in hospital and just got out of the hospital and is working on physical and short-term memory work stuff, so says a Sierra Sun article here.
Get well soon!

CR Johnson in action...
post #16 of 72
I bought a pair of excellent soft shell fabric pants from LLBean for $99.00 this winter. Shop around and get yourself something that's waterproof and breathable!
post #17 of 72

Why the debate?

Considering what you're parking in the pants for the day, is it any wonder that people (men especially) will pay up? Nothing ruins a day at the mountain faster than a chill below the waist!

I spent more than I would have liked on my skipants about 8 years ago, but I've never regretted it. Nordica, for the record. As long as you layer properly, you'll be happy in virtually all conditions. But do prowl the late-season sales...it makes for a very satisfying start to the next season. Nothing beats the realization that you have exactly what you need/want, and you remember that you paid 1/2 of the reatail price (or less) 6 months earlier!
post #18 of 72
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
season's pass pocket
Your PANTS have a season's pass pocket?! So, what, the ticket checker has to aim his gun at your crotch? Sounds like a feature I'd pay to not have...

(I was trying to find a picture of these pants online so I could see the pass pocket!)
post #19 of 72

ski pants

I actually have two pairs of snowboarder pants that I love. I also just found a pair of Marker ski pants for 130 bucks. Getting quality clothing is a must, just make the effort to shop around and keep your eyes open. Skiing is so much more enjoyable when you are comfortable, well worth the money.
post #20 of 72
NYCJIM,
Let us know if you 'got what you paid for'.
post #21 of 72
These spider pants will make you look cool and if you get the red ones everyone will notice you.

Seriously check these out.

North Face Mountain

Patagoinia Primo

Clougveil Koven

For budget but still breathable check out:

Northface Varius with Hyvent rather than GoreTex

Eastern Mountain Sports (EMS) has some awesome sales in the spring on Goretex pants.
post #22 of 72

Paragon is having a winter sale!

NYCJIM,

Paragon has just reduced their winter stuff, so the $200 ski pants will be about half of that.

Also, on line:

overstock.com
altrec.com
geardirect.com
backcountry.com
sierratradingpost.com
llbean.com

All have some good deals. Think we'll get any more snow this year?
post #23 of 72
My Obermeyer ski pants cost me $60. They are waterproof and breathable, and has Permaloft insulation. I bought them at my local ski shop. IMHO, pants that are made especially for skiing are well worthwhile.
post #24 of 72
I just wear ordinary cotton long johns under ordinary casual pants, but I ski on groomed runs and not in the rain, and I don't fall.
post #25 of 72
Thread Starter 

Wow lots of input!

Thanks for the input all.

This is my fourth winter on skis. I've skied in some very cold temps but have never been cold or wet with the 20 buck pair I have. Maybe because I wear thermal underwear under them?

If I can find a good sale, I suppose I'll buy. But half the time I ski (at least) it's too warm.
post #26 of 72
I believe in EMS. My ski/hinking/snowshoe pants were like $90. Mid weight, breathable and warm. I only wear a base layer under them.
post #27 of 72
$300 Phenix pants here. nothing, I mean NOTHING is warmer than Phenix stuff, and really, really well put together. zippered legs for quick removal (FOR RACING,and training, YA PIGS.) comfortable. breathable, movable. liners, pockets. GOOD pair of pants.
post #28 of 72
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Originally Posted by jennytalia
"Mr. Federer in New Jersy asks............." Roseanne Rosannadannah
Mr. Richard Federer of Ft. Lee New Jersey....

post #29 of 72

so Phil says ...

In a Noo Yawk Yiddish accent ....

..... "vell Jen, I'll tell ya!"
post #30 of 72
I got the top Spyder pair (runs around $500 retail I believe) and I couldn't be happier with them. Even on sub zero days, there is no need to wear more then a thin base layer underneath them. They have been put through hell and back and have not even gotten a lose stitch. I use them for around 12 hours a week (other 6 hours I have my speed suit on), and they have held up for a few years now. I also have Spyder jackets which are of equal quality. In gear, you really do get what you pay for. I don't believe your paying for the name as much as the quality of the materials, workmanship of the clothing, and the company that is willing to stand behind it. With Spyder, they repair just about anything for $5. I had a case where I had a vest on and was doing a course, got the vest caught in something, and tore one of the armholes strait down the side. One week and $5 later, Spyder repaired it to like new. If you have the money I would seriously consider Spyder.
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