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post #31 of 47
Great reviews and great thread!
I currently have 2 pairs of skis: k2 apache crossfires (68mm) in 167cm and Salomon Pocket Rockets in 175cm.

I'm 5/9", 165lbs, aggressive advanced/ skier

I love to ski off-piste 80-90% of the time at Squaw Valley and I'm finding that the crossfires just lack stability in variable snow. At the same time, I like a quicker, carvier ski to complement my PR's. I like everything from chutes to wide-open bowls, bumps to crud.

Do these newer midfats (at 77-78mm) underfoot carve similiarly to the narrower skis? Of course, they must be somewhat slower edge to edge, but how much? My thinking is maybe to trade the crossfires to a midfat, to still have a sharp, responsive ski for hard snow and groomers, yet more stability in variable snow, crud. Of course, for fresher snow days, I have the PR's.

Does this make sense? Would the hard-snow, extreme carving performance drop-off be minimal with the wider ski, yet give me much more versatility?
post #32 of 47
you are asking us to answer questions that satisfy your subjective views, when we don't know your perspective. we know only our own.

what kind of "edge to edge quickness" are you talking about missing? what ski compared to what other ski? what skier on those skis?
post #33 of 47
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Originally Posted by squawbomber
Great reviews and great thread!
I currently have 2 pairs of skis: k2 apache crossfires (68mm) in 167cm and Salomon Pocket Rockets in 175cm.

I'm 5/9", 165lbs, aggressive advanced/ skier

I love to ski off-piste 80-90% of the time at Squaw Valley and I'm finding that the crossfires just lack stability in variable snow. At the same time, I like a quicker, carvier ski to complement my PR's. I like everything from chutes to wide-open bowls, bumps to crud.

Do these newer midfats (at 77-78mm) underfoot carve similiarly to the narrower skis? Of course, they must be somewhat slower edge to edge, but how much? My thinking is maybe to trade the crossfires to a midfat, to still have a sharp, responsive ski for hard snow and groomers, yet more stability in variable snow, crud. Of course, for fresher snow days, I have the PR's.

Does this make sense? Would the hard-snow, extreme carving performance drop-off be minimal with the wider ski, yet give me much more versatility?
Caveat #1-I'm no where near as good a skier (nor have I had the opportunity to test many different models) as many of the main posters here at epic. But with that said..

For the last two days I've used my brand new im88s (175cm) exclusively-not at a big snowy western mountain, but at my decidely small, not-so-snowy southern new england haunt (the venerable Berkshire east to be exact). On Monday we had 10 inches of fresh snow and last night we got a surprise 3 inches plus there has been quite a bit of snow making going on-anyway, the conditions were 10 inch powder to considerable piles of chunky crud and of course Ice Ice and some ice with some groomers to boot.

Oh, and for what it's worth my everyday ski is the k2 crossfire. Basically, I'm shocked and awed by the turning prowess of the 88s-not just in the soft-deep, but on the ice/crud fields, and even, yes MOGULS (these were exceedingly soft and far spaced moguls but moguls none the less. They hold a great edge on hard pack/ice and turning transitions from crud to ice and back again. Truthfully, i felt little difference in turning quickness and ability to make all sorts of turn shapes than from my usual crossfires.

In fact, the only places that the crossfires best the 88s is on the groomers and in tightly packed icy bumps (where the x-fires rule btw)-I don't know exactly why, but the im88s ice holding prowess didn't translate into groomer satisfaction-with that said, I'd take the stability and edge hold of the 88s even on a blue-ice race course over the crossfires in the same condition. I'm probably going to start using my im88s as my regular patrol ski--yeah, it's that good in more conditions than you'd expect.

Well that's my take on it.

Oh-I found it to be a fairly forgiving ski considering it's power.

Liam

Hope that helps.
post #34 of 47
just got my im88s. Ill ski them saturday and sunday. I can't wait.

I hope I like them!!!


I bought them w/ out skiing them, based on reviews, mainly from this forum.
post #35 of 47
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Originally Posted by Liam
Oh, and for what it's worth my everyday ski is the k2 crossfire. Basically, I'm shocked and awed by the turning prowess of the 88s-not just in the soft-deep, but on the ice/crud fields, and even, yes MOGULS (these were exceedingly soft and far spaced moguls but moguls none the less. They hold a great edge on hard pack/ice and turning transitions from crud to ice and back again. Truthfully, i felt little difference in turning quickness and ability to make all sorts of turn shapes than from my usual crossfires.

In fact, the only places that the crossfires best the 88s is on the groomers and in tightly packed icy bumps (where the x-fires rule btw)-I don't know exactly why, but the im88s ice holding prowess didn't translate into groomer satisfaction-with that said, I'd take the stability and edge hold of the 88s even on a blue-ice race course over the crossfires in the same condition. I'm probably going to start using my im88s as my regular patrol ski--yeah, it's that good in more conditions than you'd expect.

Well that's my take on it.

Oh-I found it to be a fairly forgiving ski considering it's power.

Liam

Hope that helps.
Thanks Liam. That's very helpful. I think the wider skis just don't have that zippy crossover and ease of laying over as the narrower skis. So they hold an edge, but may not give that same "groomer satisfaction", as you put it. That was exactly the point of my post: to get feedback on the degree of difference between the 68mm and 76-78mm skis in their carving prowess. The extra stability off-piste seems a given. Thanks again.
post #36 of 47
Dawg, hands down best ski review and comparison I've ever seen. Great job!
post #37 of 47
Hey -sorry to bump an old thread. I just purchased a pair of 177cm Head Monster i.M. 77's, trying to get an idea of what to expect.

6', 220lb, 17 season skier, probably a 6.5-7 on a 10 scale. Prefer long cruisers, was on 200cm Dynastar 5.1's until end of last season, really need to get better in powder and crud (my fave mountain doesn't groom much on powder days, and I found myself renting old Screams this past season a couple of times.) I can handle myself at speed in the corduroy and scattered packed powder, but usually come apart in heavy crud or more than 4" of fluff, really ant to improve there and my Dyanstars sank like golf clubs in chicken soup.

But I'm afraid I may have too much ski - feedback from i.M 77 users?

Thanks in advance, all. (Cool forum...)
post #38 of 47
You'll be fine. The im77's are pretty accomodating and you're riding the right size ski for your size/skill. Just charge that crud with a vengeance.
post #39 of 47
Co Dave, the 77's are a great ski. I would try placing the binding to the +15 setting. The ski is much more lively and easier to ski with. You can play around with the setting once you get on the snow but I always but RF bindings to the +15. You can use a quarter as wrench.
post #40 of 47
No problems. These skis are smooth, stable, forgiving, hold a great edge and are managable in bumps. I think you will be very pleased with them
post #41 of 47
Wow - thanks so much, everyone. As I'm facing the paradox of becoming a better skier as my body grows older, I'm realizing equipment is starting to mean a lot more to me. Looking forward to giving these things a shush. Mountain starts snowmaking in about a week and a half.

Next up: boots.

Thanks again, all. And thanks, dawg, for the great review that started tis thread. Best review on this ski I've found anywhere on the net....

See ya on the slopes.
post #42 of 47
BTW, is there significant difference between the chip and non-chip version of this ski, as I purchased a pair of the non-chip skis.

Again, I'll be working up to these skis - no way I'll be able to push them full-out.
post #43 of 47
I hope there isn't much difference. I spent 40 days on my 77 chips last winter and loved 'em. Had a delam problem though, so sent them back to Head. They promptly gave me a brand new pair of 07 77's (no-chip).
post #44 of 47
The non-chip version seems to be a livelier ski which suits some skiers better while the chip adds dampness to the ski.
post #45 of 47
FYI- there is no "chip" version for 07'.... I think you have the 06? Either one will be great, go and enjoy them.
post #46 of 47
I realise there is no chip version for 07. That would be why they didn't give me a pair. I received the 07 im77's. Green & black top sheets.
post #47 of 47
Has anyone put Fritschi Diamir Freeride with Axium Ski Crampon on the Head iM Monster 82 ?

I skied off-piste last season with the Dynastar Legend 8000 and Atomic Sweet Daddy with Garmont Adrenaline boots. I am looking for an off-piste ski with a little more floatation and turning ability. I don’t particularly want to go fatter (i.e. Head iM 88) because I will be skinning & booting up hills in Europe as well.
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