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Moonlight Bust on the Loveland Pass

post #1 of 17
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http://summitdaily.com/article/20060119/NEWS/101190038

Let's see how controversial this gets!
post #2 of 17
I don't see any controversy at all. Parking illegally on the roadway is a non-starter.
post #3 of 17
You get what you vote for - and not just the particular politicians, but the climate they bring.
If people are happy to have their phones tapped, I'm sure they're more than comfortable being ordered off a quiet moonlit incline by bullhorn.
post #4 of 17
...This isn't a political issue.

Don't you remember your mom telling you to not play in the street?

Same thing...

It is about bc users creating a traffic hazard by parking on the edge of highway 6. Loveland Pass is a hazmat and over-sized load corridor that circumvents the Eisenhower Tunnel.

And there's more...

Dogs running loose
Bon fires
Trash
Felled trees for rail slides
post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
You get what you vote for - and not just the particular politicians, but the climate they bring.
If people are happy to have their phones tapped, I'm sure they're more than comfortable being ordered off a quiet moonlit incline by bullhorn.
WOW (hand slapping the head). You really don't get it. This is not a political issue. Did you read the article or just the first sentence? A truck driver trying to navigate the pass, who was probably transporting a hazardous material (really really harmfull stuff, wanna blame the government for this too?) couldn't get through the pass because of the cars parked on the US HIGHWAY. You can not block a US highway with parked cars, expecially a very important interstate highway bypass for hazmats...
post #6 of 17
This season on Loveland Pass there was a month long survey and safety awareness campaign conducted by the Forest Service with the help of A-Basin Patrol. One bit of data they collected measured how many users had avy gear ...25%. Sometimes there are hundreds of BC users in this area each day because access is so convenient.

Many of those 25% were within a party of friends ...some of whom didn't have avy gear.
post #7 of 17
Duh: . It's very simple. Do not park your car in a no-parking area.
post #8 of 17
Huh! I wonder why no one thought of that? :
post #9 of 17
That area is pretty dangerous. We blew up the engine of a VW Van there one night and were almost minced by the plow truck that came along. Had to run for the opposite snowbank.
post #10 of 17

roadside pickup

I know what they were doing, they were waiting with the car running on the side of the road. They should have simply parked across the street in the parking lot. They deserve the ticket. I will say that I think the people there should form a group to police themselves, this way problems are avoided and they could even give the forestry people some contact numbers just in case they had important information to pass along. There are natural chutes there, and though treed the terrain is steep and gets loaded from the plowing. If the wind blew from the opposite direction they would not be able to keep that road open. People ski and camp there every full moon, it seems harmless to me.
post #11 of 17
Speaking of parking on the road. Was anyone up on Saturday? Holy crap, I have never seen that many people parking on the road on 40. Berthoud pass had a car parked in every possible spot and along the highway. I am surprised CSP didn't give out tickets. The resorts must have been absolutely crazy...
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by killclimbz
The resorts must have been absolutely crazy...
Loveland was pretty normal Saturday, but I-70 was the busiest I've seen it this season in the morning. Oddly enough, traffic was better than usual on the drive home at 4:30 (about an hour from the tunnel to Golden).
post #13 of 17
This was not the subject i thought is was going to be. I quess, i have to get my mind out of the guter.
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by GrizzlyFD
WOW (hand slapping the head). You really don't get it. This is not a political issue. Did you read the article or just the first sentence? A truck driver trying to navigate the pass, who was probably transporting a hazardous material (really really harmfull stuff, wanna blame the government for this too?) couldn't get through the pass because of the cars parked on the US HIGHWAY. You can not block a US highway with parked cars, expecially a very important interstate highway bypass for hazmats...
Forgive me, Einstein - but the point here was the approach the police used, not whether or not people should park in a "no parking" area. So, you missed the point.

However, you came out firmly against illegal parking.

This is a terrifically brave stand, but how about a comment on whether or not the police were heavy-handed?

Should anyone in this situation have to feel intimidated by the police? Can't the police do their job effectively without being intimidating?

I know they can't in places like Brazil, but this is the USA we're talking about.

As for your other comments:
Do I blame government for the fact that trucks transport hazardous materials? No. You'd have to be an idiot to suggest that (but if the hat fits...).
Do I think the climate of a government affects the conduct in various branches of the government? Of course. For example - do you think this public artwork would have been censored without the ambience created by Ashcroft, et al:



IMO, it went from "classically-inspired" to "bondage-inspired".
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
This is a terrifically brave stand, but how about a comment on whether or not the police were heavy-handed?
The cops handed out one ticket for $18. I don't think that could be considered heavy-handed.
post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
Forgive me, Einstein - but the point here was the approach the police used, not whether or not people should park in a "no parking" area. So, you missed the point.
But that WAS the point of the article...

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Originally Posted by OldSchool
However, you came out firmly against illegal parking.
obviously...just like every other post on the board
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
This is a terrifically brave stand, but how about a comment on whether or not the police were heavy-handed?
FROM THE ARTICLE: "Most of the cars were moved in a timely fashion and CSP only issued one $18.60 parking citation, according to Trooper Justin Mullins, who was not one of the responding officers."

One $19 ticket...wow that's harsh, considering there were about 300 people there. They could have towed and impounded every car on that highway, but they didn't. Maybe it was the loud speaker or the flashing lights that you took offense to? I just don't know. One person who had to move from the area was quoted saying,

' "The first thing I remember her saying is, 'Get off my road,'" said Breckenridge resident and Keystone ski instructor Amy Marschak. "I felt like my civil rights were about to be violated," Marschak said, explaining that she left the area feeling intimidated.'

I question how this was a civil rights issue. She was doing something illegally and she was told, albeit in a stern way, to move. I really hope the cops didn't hurt anyone's feelings. And if they did maybe they will think twice about parking on a major highway next time.

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Originally Posted by OldSchool
Should anyone in this situation have to feel intimidated by the police? Can't the police do their job effectively without being intimidating?
Maybe in lala fantasy world, but this is the REAL world were bad things happen. We should be thanking cops for risking their lives everyday to protect us from the murderers, robbers, rapists, and other people looking to do harm in this world.
So let's cut them some slack ok...

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Originally Posted by OldSchool
I know they can't in places like Brazil, but this is the USA we're talking about.
OK thats enough brazil bashing...ok maybe one more


And the rest is just political trash throwing that has nothing to do with the article, yet you bring it anyway...

Let me try and interpret what your saying:
If colorado was under the political control of the democrats, this never would have happened? Maybe that lady wouldn't have been yelled at? :

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Originally Posted by OldSchool
As for your other comments:
Do I blame government for the fact that trucks transport hazardous materials? No. You'd have to be an idiot to suggest that (but if the hat fits...).
Do I think the climate of a government affects the conduct in various branches of the government? Of course. For example - do you think this public artwork would have been censored without the ambience created by Ashcroft, et al:



IMO, it went from "classically-inspired" to "bondage-inspired".
post #17 of 17
Interesting thread in response to the story I co-wrote with my colleague, Nicole. In fact it inspired me to rejoin this forum. I know this thread is kind of old at this point (in fact we're just a few days away from the next full moon) but I wanted to add that, after the story appeared, Amy contacted our editor and lambasted us for taking "too easy" on the police in the story. The folks that contacted me wanted to make a federal civil rights case out of this deal, and I sympathize with them, but it can be a huge mess up there at Loveland Pass. As has been said here, cars need to get off the roadway, at the very least. Too often, I've seen people parked half on the road, doors open, smoking a cig and describing the last run in bro-speak while hazmat trucks are squeaking by. The point we were trying to make, subtly, is that there is a need for the roadside skiing community to take responsibility for itself, so that a few bad apples don't ruin it for everyone. Also wanted to point out that the avy outreach session was just one day long, not one month.
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