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post #1 of 22
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I'm 5"11" and pushing 195lbs. Currently I plan on purchasing the Volkl 5 Star and the local shop is recommending 168. Anyone agree/disagree?

For more specifics see here:

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=35525
post #2 of 22
There's a lot of ways to go, and all advice is general until you actually demo - but the best general advice I've seen comes from our own SierraJim's shop:

MEN’S SIZIING GUIDELINES
Weight RangeIntermediateAdv/Ez ExpertExpert150-175160-167165-175170-178175-200165-172167-178175-184200-225170-175175-182178-184225+170-178178-184180-191

Consider the longer sizes within your size range based upon the following.
  • <LI style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: list .5in">You are at the heavy end of the weight range. <LI style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: list .5in">You ski very aggressively. <LI style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: list .5in">You like higher speeds and longer radius turns. <LI style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: list .5in">You ski rough off trail conditions often.
  • You are selecting a fairly soft ski.

Consider the shorter sizes within the range if:
  • <LI style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: list .5in">You are near the light end of the scale. <LI style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: list .5in">You ski at a more relaxed pace. <LI style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: list .5in">You are thinking about buying above your ability level <LI style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: list .5in">You ski mostly on groomed runs or moguls.
  • You are selecting a pretty stiff ski.
post #3 of 22
That didn't paste very well, huh? Here's a link:
http://www.sierrasnowboard.com/page.htm?pg=skiadvice
post #4 of 22
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Originally Posted by gyro
That didn't paste very well, huh? Here's a link:
http://www.sierrasnowboard.com/page.htm?pg=skiadvice
Thanks! Figures, I am right smack in the middle of the 5 Star, 168 or 175. It could go either way.
post #5 of 22
I'm no expert, but I've been through this process recently... my $.02 is that doing good research will always put your perfect fit between two actual sizes. Then it's time to test them.

You're taking a trip out by air, right? Do you really want to travel with any skis at all, let alone an untested pair? I'd say get the best fitting boots you can (a whole 'nuther kind of anguish), then demo your short list of skis/sizes at the mountain. If you can make some kind of reservation for the skis, that should help the peace-of-mind factor.
post #6 of 22
If you like to make a lot of short turns then go for the 168cm. I you want a ski that will be more stable at speed and make a variety of turn shapes go with the 175cm. The 175 will be a little more versitile. But like everyone here keeps saying, test them out, if you can.
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by gyro
I'm no expert, but I've been through this process recently... my $.02 is that doing good research will always put your perfect fit between two actual sizes. Then it's time to test them.

You're taking a trip out by air, right? Do you really want to travel with any skis at all, let alone an untested pair? I'd say get the best fitting boots you can (a whole 'nuther kind of anguish), then demo your short list of skis/sizes at the mountain. If you can make some kind of reservation for the skis, that should help the peace-of-mind factor.

I tested the 168s yesterday, but when I returned the 5* today, the local shop informed me that is the only size they offer in the 5* to demo. :

BTW, I have my own boots, Lange GX9.

My trip out west is not until mid-March so I am worried about the availability of demos and the available inventory of skis to purchase.
post #8 of 22
I'd say go with the longer ski. Your weight and height would indicate that you should go even longer. How well do you ski? If you are a pretty good skier keep in mind the 5* is not a hard ski to ski.
post #9 of 22
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Originally Posted by freeskinow
I'd say go with the longer ski. Your weight and height would indicate that you should go even longer. How well do you ski? If you are a pretty good skier keep in mind the 5* is not a hard ski to ski.
I'm a strong intermediate. I do intend to eventually lose 20-25 lbs (easier said than done...lol).
post #10 of 22
I'm 5'10" 200 lbs and ski on Fischer RX8 at 165, they're great. Modern skis can handle it, and I'd rather have a ski now that can make short turns and also go fast, than a longer ski that doesn't want to make short turns.

OTOH as an intermediate, you might enjoy the stability of a longer ski to make you more comfortable with speed, then go shorter on your next pair. That's what I did, but at my skill level now (somewhere around level 8-) I like having a ski that I can really turn, and I don't need the extra length to feel balanced fore and aft.
post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz
I'm 5'10" 200 lbs and ski on Fischer RX8 at 165, they're great. Modern skis can handle it, and I'd rather have a ski now that can make short turns and also go fast, than a longer ski that doesn't want to make short turns.

OTOH as an intermediate, you might enjoy the stability of a longer ski to make you more comfortable with speed, then go shorter on your next pair. That's what I did, but at my skill level now (somewhere around level 8-) I like having a ski that I can really turn, and I don't need the extra length to feel balanced fore and aft.

Current skis, K2 Merlin III are 183s. Too many choices and too many sizes. lol
post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by SCA
I'm a strong intermediate. I do intend to eventually lose 20-25 lbs (easier said than done...lol).
Maybe the 4 star would be more appropriate. I like Volkl so I won't coment on some of the other mfg. If you plan to go real short take a look at the Metron. Not my bag but could help you improve alot.
post #13 of 22
I'm 5'11, 225, and a level 8-9 skier. I have a pair of 5 * in 168. I have no stability problems with them at speed, and routinely ski above 40 mph.

I use the 5* as my front-side carving ski. I also have a pair of Volkl Pro's in 171 as my all mountain ski, and a pair of Mantra's in 184 as my powder ski.

I've not found a speed limit to any of these ski's, and have hit 70 on all of them.

It looks to me like you live in an area where you do not get to ski very often. I would suggest going shorter (168) -- you will have more fun, won't have to manhandle the ski, and won't trip over it. And I doubt that you will find stability issues with them at speed.

Mike
post #14 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by freeskinow
Maybe the 4 star would be more appropriate. I like Volkl so I won't coment on some of the other mfg. If you plan to go real short take a look at the Metron. Not my bag but could help you improve alot.
4* leaves little room for improvement and since I demo'ed the 5* and had very little problems it is the route I plan to go unless I demo something else and end up liking it more (Dynastar Contact ST 10).
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by SCA
4* leaves little room for improvement and since I demo'ed the 5* and had very little problems it is the route I plan to go unless I demo something else and end up liking it more. (Dynastar Contact ST 10).
Great choice!
post #16 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by habacomike
It looks to me like you live in an area where you do not get to ski very often. I would suggest going shorter (168) -- you will have more fun, won't have to manhandle the ski, and won't trip over it. And I doubt that you will find stability issues with them at speed.

Mike

Our winters are not what they used to be. I live 30 mins from the Great Smoky Mtns national park too.
post #17 of 22
For this type of ski it's all about the turn radius you will enjoy more. If you're happy with the turn radius of the 168, go for it.

I would want 175 if I were skiing mostly open big hills making larger GS turns, On smaller hills I would go for the smaller one and make smaller turns. I don't think you will find much of a performance difference in terms of high-speed stability between the two lengths.

I haven't tried the 5*, but at 160 lbs, I like a 170 RX8 for Ontario, and I bought a 165 Fischer WC, which seems a bit long unles I'm speeding.
post #18 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by SCA
I'm 5"11" and pushing 195lbs. Currently I plan on purchasing the Volkl 5 Star and the local shop is recommending 168. Anyone agree/disagree?

For more specifics see here:

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=35525
After reading through this and the previous thread I would conclude that your shop has wise advice for you re 5 star

Agree - 168

Clearly
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by SCA
My trip out west is not until mid-March so I am worried about the availability of demos and the available inventory of skis to purchase.
I would have the same anxiety, but still I'd wager that when you get back, you'll find plenty of inventory at less cost than now.

The only thing better than having your own pair is having your own pair that you are absolutely, positively sure is right for you!
post #20 of 22
I have to say, after hanging around the forum for a week or so, I'm surprised to see how short people's skis are. I'm used to seeing skis no shorter then 170, most in the 180's. I would say most of the people I know who are about 200lbs are on something like a 190 for a GS and a 165 (or higher) for SL. I would imagine a 176 would be good for you as an all mountain ski, but then again, I'm not the best with sizing.
post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by camhabib
I have to say, after hanging around the forum for a week or so, I'm surprised to see how short people's skis are. I'm used to seeing skis no shorter then 170, most in the 180's. I would say most of the people I know who are about 200lbs are on something like a 190 for a GS and a 165 (or higher) for SL. I would imagine a 176 would be good for you as an all mountain ski, but then again, I'm not the best with sizing.
I agree with you. The 175 is the correct size, but the 168 will perform also. The 5 star is somewhat forgiving. I can easily see an intermediate skier of that weight on the 168. The 5 star is not really an intermediate ski so going shorter makes sense. In theory a different ski would be in order, but this ski in a 168 will be a wonderful choice.
post #22 of 22

Ok my turn, haha...

Nevermind, I copied and pasted what I originally wrote to start a new thread... thanks anyways
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