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post #1 of 17
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I haven't taken to the slopes in more than a decade, but my brother-in-law as made me an offer I cannot refuse. So I'm off to Vail in a couple of weeks! I think all my old clothing is being used as a mice nest.

It may be another decade before I ski again, or maybe not, but I doubt I'll ever go more than a couple of times/year. So I can't spend a lot of money, and versatile clothes are a plus. Temperature in Vail has been between 0 and 28 the last couple of weeks. I'll be up there 4 days. Clearly, layering seems to be the way to go. I don't really know how cold I'll feel up on the mountain. I do tend to sweat a lot. I have some wool sweaters, scarves and hats that ought to be fine, and an old ll Bean Gore Tex jacket I hope I can use as an outer shell(?).

Rather than ask you all what to wear I've read-up as much as possible and have tried to come up with a budget version of what I've read. Campmor has some amazing prices! Sorry for the length of the post, but I'd sure like to know what you think:

Item
Subtotal
Black Dot Pants (For Men)
M/Black
$16.97
Duofold Varitherm™ Lightweight Polypropylene Crewneck Shirt (For Men)
M/Navy
$9.99
Duofold Varitherm™ Lightweight Polypropylene Ankle Length Pants (For Men)
M/Navy
$9.99
Smith Cascade PMT Goggles
Black
$19.97
Varitherm™ Single Layer Mid-Heavyweight Underwear With 4-Way StretchMen's Mock T-Neck
M/White
$11.97
Marmot Spring Gloves (For Men)
L/Black
$29.97
Varitherm® Middle Weight 360° Stretch Single Layer Ankle Length Pants (For Men)
M/Black
$19.99
Campmor Polartec® 200 Fleece Pants (For Men)
M/Black
$19.97

Subtotal (before taxes, shipping and discounts)
$138.82



I also picked up 3 pair of Under Armour Cold Gear socks off e-bay. Thanks for any thoughts!
post #2 of 17
I don't think those gloves will serve you well in mid-winter. Note the model...Spring Gloves

Check out Cabela's Pincacle Gore tex gloves. Lots of folks on this forum have bought em and like em. $39.99 and many compare them favorably to $100+ gloves from the big name manufacturers.

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat21082&id=0016747921909a& navCount=3&podId=0016747&parentId=cat250007&navAct ion=push&catalogCode=XF&rid=&parentType=index&inde xId=cat250007&hasJS=true
post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 
thx. I've been considering those...I also saw folk say these particular gloves were too warm for Spring. I also thought perhaps with glove liners I could better control warmth w/o sweating. But perhaps you are right.
post #4 of 17
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Originally Posted by bjohansson
I don't think those gloves will serve you well in mid-winter. Note the model...Spring Gloves
Don't buy those gloves. Buy a cheap pair of gore-tex mittens and your hands will be much warmer than any gloves. I usually pay about $20 at Gart Sports and they last two seasons (170+ days).

Steve
post #5 of 17
I agree with bj, the gloves may not be warm enough to cover the temperature range you may encounter. You didn't mention what part of the country you live in and if you tend to get cold.

You may want to add a neck gaiter, much easier to deal with than a scarf. Also, I don't think the pants you have chosen will do very well. Look into something a little more substantial for skiing. You never know what the weather will do. My own opinion is that the fleece pants under a shell will be overkill. Stick with the Varitherm midweight and invest in better shell pants.

At least something like these in the Columbia line: http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=39186683&memberId=1250022 6

Edit: After looking again, the pants you chose may be ok, but without seeing them in person hard to tell. For a few times out, may do the trick in all but the nastiest weather.
post #6 of 17
I fourth the glove thoughts. Get something in gore-tex or equivalent, warmer than a spring glove.

I like gloves with long cuffs. My current pair were from a Sams club for under 20 bucks.

You might consider a camelback sort of hydration pak too---especially of you sweat a lot. Need lots of water at altitude anyway and they can be used for any number of other activities. Usually can be found very inexpensivly.
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by karrsic
thx. I've been considering those...I also saw folk say these particular gloves were too warm for Spring. I also thought perhaps with glove liners I could better control warmth w/o sweating. But perhaps you are right.
If your palms sweat like mine, gloves with lines are better. If nothing else, you can pull them out to dry. No matter how moisture wicking the inner layer is, moisture is still trapped (along with growth of strong foul odor) without pull-out liners. One piece super warm gloves for our sweaty kinds is only good when the temperature gets really cold, when you hands are more likely to stay dry.
post #8 of 17

Mostly a repeat of powdrhound

Lose the scarves: fleece neck gaiters seal better and are less hassle.

As those pants are insulated, I would reconsider the 200weight fleece and get another pair of the Variotherms. You can always double up.

More socks; the price on those pants is so low that you can afford to get them and try on better ones in brick shops for best fit.

I have tried spring gloves (Marker, tho, lighter duty than those) with separate liner gloves in midwinter in Co, and I had to sit on my hands to keep them warm on the lift in any sort of wind.

Hat/balaclava/helmet?
post #9 of 17
Neck Gaiter, the most versatile piece of clothing you can carry. Fits in a pocket and works great for protecting the face when it's cold and blowing, or as a open topped hat or earband when it gets too warm for a regular hat.
post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 
You all are awesome. Thanks, much. Gloves, be gone. Nothing worse than cold hands, except maybe cold toes. I live in SF Bay area, so I won't be using this stuff much.

I'll definitely check out the neck gaiter. I was going to go for the Columbia pants, but they only have XL, and I need a M. I gather no one has heard of the Black Dot. I'm still open to recommendations, but hard to find a good deal.

Maybe I'll go with the Cabela Pinnacle. Why not the GORE-TEX® 3-in-1 Gloves ? "These Cabela's exclusive gloves have a soft nylon shell with a 100% waterproof, breathable GORE-TEX® membrane for maximum protection from moisture and the elements. 100-gram Thinsulate™ Supreme insulation blocks the loss of valuable body heat from your hands and fingers without adding bulk. A moisture-wicking lining keeps your hands dry and comfortable. Fleece liner gloves provide a second layer of thermal protection. The Mid-gauntlet length keeps snow and cold out. Imported."
post #11 of 17
I've seen fairly decent deals on pants at places like REI, Gart Sports. They carry Columbia, and it's always best to try the pants on. Also, regarding pants: Make the decision on pure shell or insulated shell. Makes a big difference in bulk, comfort, and what you wear underneath. My personal opinion is pure shell with a thin to medium weight polypro layer underneath. Also a pure shell may be more versatile in the future depending on your other outdoor pursuits.

Liners in the Pinnacle gloves may be overkill unless you are very prone to cold hands. Even so, you can always pick up liners at Vail. I've never needed liners, but then again my hands just don't normally get cold.
post #12 of 17
I agree with much of what has been written here, but I disagree about the pants. I ski in 200wt Polarfleece pants (mine are from Jagged Edge Mt Gear, pricey, but I got them on sale for about $40 instead of $100) under a goretex uninsulated shell most of the year. I find that I am comfortable in nearly all conditions- the fleece wicks really well, and I don't change to lightweight or midweight Capiline and softshell pants until we are into spring. I would go with the uninsulated shell and the 200 wt fleece.

You are doing really well for very little cash out!
post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dp
You are doing really well for very little cash out!
I think so too!
post #14 of 17

Black Dot

Is a Pacific Trail brand, apparently. I was just over at TSA looking at their Notorious pant. Very nice, priced there at 170-40%, quality comparable to the Marker pants on the next rack over. This is the one Campmor has for $65.

I did have some issue with a few of the snowboard-specific design elements, such as the vents placed on the inner thigh, the calf zippers being about half-length compared to ski ones, and no instep reinforcement.
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by karrsic
I was going to go for the Columbia pants, but they only have XL, and I need a M. I gather no one has heard of the Black Dot. I'm still open to recommendations, but hard to find a good deal.
Check out some of these pants:

http://www.rei.com/outlet/category/2...WBOARD ING_SA

Salomon & North Face are both good deals. . . and North Face sometimes runs a bit small, so maybe the large would work.

And even better deals on some very nice stuff in a wider range of sizes here:

http://www.backcountryoutlet.com/out...Ski-Pants.html

Hope that helps,
Mollie
post #16 of 17
Thread Starter 
REIOutlet.com had a '94 North Face Freedom pant for $57 today, but I couldn't pull the trigger w/o having tried them on (dumb). Now they're out of stock (dumber). I've trolled all these sites and there really are a lot of good deals to be had. I keep going back and forth on hard shell vs soft shell, insulated or not. Though in the end, for my purposes, I think a non-insulated shell is the way to go.

I tried the Black Dot on today vs the Columbia Vertex. I think I preferred the Columbia, standing there in the changing room. :

Thanks for your thoughts!
post #17 of 17
Don't wear any woolen items unless they are especially made for skiing..
When you sweat, they are going to start itching!
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