Originally Posted by mikewil
Rusty-here I will agree and disagree. ...The question in my mind is that little move I described causing the skis to do what they do-what's the root cause.....Here is a generic question-is WTFH's body position an outcome of other activities or just his normal stance? .... I know that is a point I really overemphasize with my cert training groups-find the single most important movement need and be able to justify it...
And in WTFH's case it may be as simple as getting him to stand up or other more subtle issues are involved.
The beauty of this place is the varied opinions. If we all thought the same thing, there'd be little worth in discussion. I asked Michael if the weight back thing was so obviously a technique killer why couldn't demo teamers (of all people) just fix it? For a response, I mostly just got "the look" (you know the one that says miracles don't grow on trees). I did get the sense from Michael that there is not a whole lot that WTFH can do until the weight is neutralized, but that was neither a proclamation or a vindication of my opinion.
So I think this debate falls into my category of "there are many ways to skin this cat". Whichever path is taken really does not matter as long as results are achieved at the end. In this respect the diagnosis does not matter a whole lot either.
When I'm looking for a root cause, I give more weight to the earliest moves. Since the weight is already in the back seat before the turn is initiated, that is my justification for saying it is the root cause. I'm not "right". That's just my thought process. I'm aware that 3 common root causes for weight back are fear, alignment and posture (which in my mind is a result of adapted fear). I chose posture as the most likely candidate worthy of attacking first.
I am concerned about alignment issues as a possible cause for the weight being back. But since I see weight outside of both boot lines, it seems that standing taller is possible and would move the hips forward. From there, I'd recheck alignment. I'm certainly concerned that the wide stance and a hunched over stance are signals that there is an alignment/balance issue. However, my starting theory is that this is a reaction to weight back and skidding vs a cause or a symptom of rotary movements. It is a theory that needs to be tested. I also know that part of the video analysis at ESA was an alignment check. In theory, if WTFH had an alignment issue, that would have been diagnosed already. In practice, I was not present when his turns were reviewed.
Although I don't see fear as a factor in these turns, I would use easier terrain to develop the movements I want to see.
I see the single most important movement need as moving the hips forward to stay with the skis. Simply standing taller is one approach. Exposing your belly button to the wind is another. Leapers, thousand steps and shuffle turns are all on the list of exercises that can help. With respect to subtle issues, I'm growing more respectful of Mr. Rogan's "look". I also believe that attacking this from a totally different angle could also achieve the desired results indirectly. A focus on developing counter (looking more down the hill), narrowing the stance, or matching the shoulders to the pitch of the slope - all of these approaches could change the weight positioning as a byproduct. My diagnosis does not preclude your diagnosis from being valid or productive.
The good news is that this years clip shows great improvement in confidence and turn shape from the older clip. But you can see that most of the fundamental mechanics of the turn initiation are the same. This could be a habit that is hard to break.
Thanks Mike! It's been a challenge responding to your points. My biggest weakness is that I hate to give up on an opinion. I applaud you for sticking to your guns and making me think.