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Article from 'The Economist" on ski waxing

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
This article pretty much flies in the face of convential thinking!

http://www.economist.com/science/dis...ory_id=5300005
post #2 of 26
Yesss! Hopefully, in time, all my lazy habits will be proven beneficial...
post #3 of 26

For Sale!!

For sale: All of my waxing supplies!
post #4 of 26
hmmm. I haven't waxed the Stocklis since I got them, and they are quite sluggish at slow speeds, and sticky. I waxed the Phat Luvs, and they are much smoother over snow. Maybe the Economist guys just hired some scientists to tell them some stuff, and seeing as how they paid them a lot of money, what they told them must therefore be really true! (Economically Rational Thinking).

What they say certainly applies in spring though. You have to deep clean your bases every day or so to get all the horrible gunk out. I guess you could extrapolate that to long-term normal usage.
post #5 of 26
I've heard that argument before, and it doesn't match my experience. The puzzling thing is the waxed skis were better for a few hundred meters. When I wax my skis there better for a few dozen kilometers. Maybe if you ski through a lot of dirt: . Wrong temperature wax: . No brushing:. Not heating the wax enough : The devil is in the details, and we don't have any details.
post #6 of 26
Thread Starter 
It sounded suspect to me. Seems like I get a few kilometers out of a wax!, Maybe it is just an illusion. What is reality?
post #7 of 26

Total snooze fest.

(Essentials previously posted on TGR)

We've only known about dirt in wax for, oh, decades.

We have articles like this one from Masterskier telling us how to get around it:
Quote:
The Copper brush should be used for general wax removal as well as especially after skiing and before waxing (every time), for cold wax removal (follow with nylon) and for removal of an HF wax in very dirty snow where it is critical to remove all paraffin based wax (HF waxes are paraffin based).


What does the Economist have to say about tip lead?
post #8 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman
It sounded suspect to me. Seems like I get a few kilometers out of a wax!, Maybe it is just an illusion. What is reality?
I don't know what the reality is but here's to hoping that they can prove we don't need wax! I'd gladly give up waxing all these dang skis every week.
post #9 of 26
I get the impression Atomicman could make an extra car payment if it was true.
post #10 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by cantunamunch

What does the Economist have to say about tip lead?
I think they're in favour of it.
post #11 of 26
Well, those nordic types are lot closer to the ground, and therefor the dirt, than we are.

At least until the snowboarders scrape ALL the snow off...
post #12 of 26
like the E is a resource for this sort of info... please.:
post #13 of 26
I suspect Swix and Toko need to buy more advertising in that magazine. Soon!
post #14 of 26
Yeah so, that was BS... Wax is designed to make the base go faster, yes... but it is also (and more importantly) designed to make the base healthier and more moist... thus faster. Pretty soon they will be recommending structure patterns...
Later
GREG
post #15 of 26
yeah greg - I complained that I did not want my skis waxed all the time as I had no desire to go any faster..... I got told it was to protect the ski bases from being "burnt" .....

I have since been trained that when the edge area starts to look less black they get waxed pronto!
post #16 of 26
Well, at least we know that if we run out of bulletproof vests, we can always just use the base of our skis for some sort of protection. Cute article - I was going to start waxing my skis after everyday of skiing but now I'm reconsidering.
post #17 of 26
Do your own experiment; wax one ski and leave the other dry. let us know how it worked for you.
post #18 of 26
No sale.
post #19 of 26
I think my Volant Machete FB's will stop a bullet...
post #20 of 26
mr Kuzmin is widely regarded as a freak in most ski industry circles.
post #21 of 26

Mr. Kuzmin thesis

If any of you has a lot of spare time, here is a link to Kuzmin's paper on the subject.

http://epubl.ltu.se/1402-1757/2006/0...IC-0603-SE.pdf. It is biased towards xc-skis.

He got a lot of attention in the Scandinavian press seeing as he decided to publish his findings only a month or so before the olympics in Turin.
post #22 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle crud
like the E is a resource for this sort of info... please.:
Open your cruddy mind & lighten up! It was just an interesting article uncle crochety, no one was endorsing it or saying it was the gospel.
post #23 of 26
I have real problems with some of the 'logic' on pg. 9 for instance.
post #24 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman
Open your cruddy mind & lighten up! It was just an interesting article uncle crochety, no one was endorsing it or saying it was the gospel.
interesting premise:

xc skis designed for no wax use actually work well without wax!

applicability to alpine:

nil
post #25 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle crud
interesting premise:

xc skis designed for no wax use actually work well without wax!

applicability to alpine:

nil
Did you read the 2nd paragraph, last sentence?
post #26 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle crud
interesting premise:
xc skis designed for no wax use actually work well without wax!
"No wax" cross country skis refer to not needing kick wax (the sticky stuff used for traction).
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