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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Been looking at the Race Werks Sun Valley Tool kit that you've recommended to others in the past. Also looking at some of the Beast kits from Race Place.

Which kit would you specficially recommend from Race Werks for a beginner and what other tools would I need to buy to be up n' running (aside from a vise). Doesn't look like the Sun Valley Performance kit comes with diamond stones.

Also, any comments on the Beast stuff?

Comments from others always welcome too.
post #2 of 12
I've been trying to avoid this, but you've suckered me into it

Here is the list of tools that I use regularly. Some may disagree with my selections, but I'm interested in hearing some feedback anyhow.

I've listed the tools basically in the order I use them.

Noodlers tuning tools:

Holmenkol Tuning Bench and World Cup vise (the most important tools in my opinion)
True Bar (I prefer the "knife edge" models)
Tognar P-tex iron and ribbon P-tex
10" laser cut chrome files (flat filing the base only)
SkiVisions Base Flattener with steel bar (the key to this tool is maintaining the "trueness" and removing burrs)
Steel brush (used to clean skis between steps and freshen structure)
8" laser cut chrome file (used for setting base bevel only)
Toko World Cup Base Bevel Guide (A-man's recommendation - awesome)
Skiman Sidewall Skyver (planer) with round blade (only for initial prep)
SVST 4" pansar file (side edge bevel set only)
SVST Pro Edge Beveler guide 93 degrees (I have the 92 also, but rarely use it)
Spring clamp
Moonflex diamond stones/files (I have the whole progression from 100 to 1500)
SVST Secret Sauce (diamond file lubrication)
SVST Final Cut Base Edge Bevel Guide 1.0 (guide for polishing base edges)
Grey Gummi stone (only used to dull the edges that have no contact with snow)
Stone kit (multiple grades - used for finishing edges with misc. needs)
Tognar citrus base cleaner (only used if the base is really dirty)
SkiVisions Base Flattener with structure stones (coarse, medium, fine)
Brass Riller bar
Toko waxing iron
Dominator Zoom waxes
Reliable Racing plastic scrapers
Toko plastic scraper prep tool (renew the scraper edges)
Fine steel brushes and/or brass brushes (I don't use nylon anymore)
Horse hair brush (rarely used unless searching for serious speed)
DMT diamond files (only used to maintain the steel bar and structure stones)

P.S. Almost forgot - shop apron and band-aids!

The only "controversial" component of my kit is probably the SkiVisions Base Flattener. Once I learned how to maintain the steel bar and structure stones using diamond files (I do this between every 2-3 passes of the tool) I've achieved excellent results (much better than Ray's way using sandpaper and a sanding tube - that leaves tons of P-tex hairs). The SkiVisions tool leaves almost perfectly smooth and flat bases - you just need to be careful to overlap your passes with even pressure (so that you don't introduce "waves" along the ski base). I wish I could afford to get a base grind more often, but the SkiVisions tool is an excellent substitute in my opinion (A-man would definitely disagree).
post #3 of 12
I have no experience with the Beast kits, but I recall seeing some negative comments about some components and some good things about others. I really like the SVST stuff - very high quality.

Based on all the money I've spent over the past few years on new tuning tools (at least $2000) I would jump right on the highest priced kit at race-werks.com if you're serious about getting into doing your own tuning. If not, step back to a kit where your budget can survive and then compare its contents to my list above to see what else may make sense for you to add.
post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks Noodler. Great info.
post #5 of 12


Usually like with MTB tools I would avoid the kits and buy tools singly or in batches that you need for the job at hand. That way over time you build your own kit. Would second Noodler that the bench and vise is most important. I have Beast bench and vise which work fine. If you can get a proform on Swix, Toko or Holmenkol that is a good way to get some of the best tools including bench and vise at discount. Beast has their own vise but if you get one from Swix, Holmenkol or Toko they are all the same made by SkiMan of Italy. Be sure to get the Super World Cup which has wider jaws. Also if a rack is offered get that with the bench.

You can cut corners on things or buy the best. An example would be base of Beast guides (cheap but they do the job) or Final Cut SVST guides (expensive, beautiful and a pleasure to own). You might as well start an account with Race Place, Racewerks, and Artech. Always check the prices between them since each has certain things cheaper than the others

One note on sidewall planers: the SVST comes with both square and round bits.

You will also need many things from the hardware store, auto parts even the grocery store. Dish scrubbies for example are great for sidewalls. Yesterday I got this spacious Wax Cozy at Fred Myers to put all my sh*t in. Just think of it as retail therapy. You also need to learn a wax language. I previously spoke Swix then Toko but now am speaking this very simple language of Dominator Zoom/Bullet/Butter system.


Good luck building your kit!!

Hey Noodler does that Secret Sauce really work?

post #6 of 12
Flying Fossil - the main thing I've noticed about the "Secret Sauce" is that it keeps my diamond files wearing longer - definitely improving their lifespan. I've learned that properly maintaining the hand tools is half the battle in producing good results.
post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 
What wax do you use out here in CO in the spring when things get warm, slushy & corny?
I bought Zoom as an everyday winter wax.
post #8 of 12
It is almost impossible for the beast base beveler to be accurate, look at its construction, injection molded plastic and a bent piece of metal. I have measured their 1 deg base beveler in a machine shop and it was off by over .5 deg.
post #9 of 12

Plastic fantastic

It is almost impossible for the beast base beveler to be accurate, look at its construction, injection molded plastic and a bent piece of metal. I have measured their 1 deg base beveler in a machine shop and it was off by over .5 deg.
I hear ya bogusbill - there was another thread talking about the issue with plastic and accuracy somewhere that I was reading. Will replace those - was thinking Toko since someone mentioned their quality but now Noodler got me snooping around the kits from SVST and the WC one in particular has some things I don't have and want but also comes with the higher quality guide. $Ka-ching ka-ching$ Good thing we get the skis reasonably cheap with all this money we spend on tuning supplies

Would sure like one of those SVST benches :

post #10 of 12
My only warning about the Toko WC beveler is that it only fits narrower files (Moonflex won't fit either). That's why I also have the SVST TFC bevel guides (they can handle wider tools).

I had heard about problems with the Beast guides also so that's why I went to the Toko and SVST stuff. I also have 2 of the SkiMan bevel guides and they're not bad (fairly accurate) - easy to hold, but you can accidentally over bevel with them - unlike the Toko guide that spans the entire ski width.

Fossil - I just started using the all temp Dominator Zoom so I'm not sure how well it will work in warmer Spring temps. So far it's been good this year for the weather we've had.
post #11 of 12
Great kit Noodler, very similar to mine.
post #12 of 12

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Noodler with the Original Zoom you might want to add the Graphite Zoom. Lately I’ve been mixing the two with good result. Dripline of graphite down each edge and original up the middle has been a good formula.

Squeaky I'm now eating my words and buying the Master kit from SVST @ Racewerk. Diff from Worldcup seemed only to be some extra items more important for speed events and I'm just a fossilized old SL racer so Master kit will meet my needs fine.

Thanks again noodler!

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