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post #1 of 22
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Have very low volume feet, especially in the heel and instep area. Also small feet (it seems) for ski boot sizes (22.5 or 23.5)

Never did find a pair that fit better enough than my old packed out technica explosion sr's to warrant paying the big bucks, so I ended up with neoprene to take up volume and, hopefully, last the rest of this season.

But, I did try on about every boot out there except the nordica dobermans, which is what I drove five OI##* hours to try on, but they were no longer in the shop when I got there.

Anyhow, for all you skinny-footed folks out there:
  • Lange comp 120's were not as narrow or low in the heel as advertised.
  • Technica Diablo? (the women's race "plug") were quite narrow and a close fit, but they felt way softer than I would have expected and still not as low volume as you'd expect from even a wannabe plug.
  • Fischer- sorry, didn't get the model, but they were their highest level non-race/plug boot. these were a surprise and why i'm posting here. they fit about as well as the technica race boots. pretty narrow in the heel area, not painful in the forefoot/toe area. very nice. Some of you that have posted looking for narrow boots, may want to give them a try.
  • nothing else, including Salomons, Dolomites, Rossis, Atomics, Dalbellos, etc. came even close.
I'm told that several manufacturers are going to come out with low volume boots for next year, so I'm holding out. Anyone else hear that?
Salomon Scarlets are supposed to be low heel volume women's boots coming out. (hate the name; makes me think of that scene from Carol Burnett when she is wearing the curtains, complete with rods and shouting "miss scarlet, miss scarlet!)
post #2 of 22
I suffer from a low volume, fairly narrow foot as well.

Add the Tecnica XT17 to your list (you can find them here: http://www.untracked.com/highlight-174696.html. They are a plug boot w/a thin liner though.

I'm skiing the Raichle Flexon Pro (Kniessel, actually) and bought them here:

http://www.swiss-sports-haus.com/product.html

Both shops (I tried the Tecnica's) gave me the option to return them for a full refund less shipping costs.
post #3 of 22
Mom
Are you looking for the Nordica Doberman 100? The kids Deberman Team 70 is almost the same. I have similar feet and just got a pair of the kids boots on line. I had tried a pair and knew the size. I went to Surefeet and they can locate them on the computer from their stores. Also I saw the adult boots at Divas in Boulder a women's sport store. I wear a 7- 7.5 shoe but these fit really well in a 22.5. They are somehow bigger inside than some larger sized boots. I also know of a pair that still might be for sale in that size so pm me if that is what you need.

Jeff Bergeron suggested them to me.
post #4 of 22
Mom, i started a thread a few weeks ago on the Dobermann WC 100, but i didn't get an answer. I have a friend who needs the WC 100 (narrow feet and medium instep).

what diablo model did you try? i doubt it was the full plug. The women's consumer plug is the 90. The softest true plug is the H13 (Race R). I had the Race R in a H17 (150 flex) and it was not too stiff for me. The H13 will do a much better job at holding your foot than the 90. And the H13 flex should be quite soft. However, it can be hard to get (just like the WC 100) and you may or may not like the stance.

A good option would be the Lange RL11. Yes it is wider in the forefoot than the Dobermann, but it is very narrow in the heel, probably better (read narrower) than the Dobie. I will know in a week or two. The wider forefoot is less important IMO than the fit in the ankle/heel/instep. If the boot is very snug here, it will work well. The forefoot will hold the foot properly. Ask Jeff if you don't believe me.

Jamie
post #5 of 22
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Originally Posted by ski_steep
I suffer from a low volume, fairly narrow foot as well.

Add the Tecnica XT17 to your list (you can find them here: http://www.untracked.com/highlight-174696.html. They are a plug boot w/a thin liner though.
Very good advice. You can also find it very cheap. For its performance, it's a bargain.
post #6 of 22
Lange Comp 120 comes in both low and medium fit - I'm assuming you tried the low, correct?

Thanks for the reviews - I'm 10.5 B, maybe even A.
post #7 of 22
I understand your "boot frustration." I too have a small volume foot and have suffered by using men's boots and tightened down the buckles. This is the first year I have found a decent selection of women's boots that have performance characteristics.

I have tried the following boots:

- Technica Attiva Flame which had a fair amount of flex but i found the toe box to be too wide and I had some movement in the heel pocket. I tried these with both the "green" and "blue" Superfeet just for comparison. (The stock insoles had a "bump" right under the ball of your foot on both sides which I found very annoying). After just a few times of removing the liner to insert the insoles, the heel portion was starting to disassemble.

- Lange Comp 120 Women's I found to have the least amount of movement with good fit all around. My heel had no movement and the width of the toe box was just right with a good feel wuthout touching the front. I only had to barely buckle them to feel secure. The other factor I had to consider is I have a very flat foot (no arch) so my foot squashes down but not in the width. Another thing I really liked about these was the durometer of the material used in the tongue; very cushy but dense at the same time. Should prevent some shin bang.

- Head 10.? - for me these were way too "swimmy."

I would have liked to try on the Noridca Beast 12 for Women but could not find anyone who carried them. REI has them and you can order online and have delivered to the store with no shipping and then decide. I read a few reviews on these and it sounded like these were better suited for a wider/standard size foot.

I opted for the Lange Comp 120's and have placed a pair on order, the shop I tried them on at is 300 miles away so I'll see when they get here.

One last thing Mom, you did not mention if the Lange's you tried were the Women's or the Men's LF?
post #8 of 22
Thread Starter 
Hey all, thank you for your replies.

1. thanks for the tips on where to buy online, but hesitate to purchase w/out trying on first, even if returnable.
2. Wanted to try technica xt but same as above
3. Yes, it was the Technica women's comsumer plug, the 90. found it very very soft, so the 130 is another option, but, again, hard to find.
4. Did try the RL11. still too wide in the instep
5. was also told by bootfitter that the dobie might not be right because its shape is very straight. narrower than most in the forefoot, but not narrowing in the heel area.
6. You bet, it tried the lange low volume and was surprised for all the reputation at how roomy it seemed.
7. madbee, i'd love to try on the nordicas in a 22, but unless they are dirt cheap, don't really want to purchase anything I can't try on first.
post #9 of 22
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Originally Posted by H2oChick
One last thing Mom, you did not mention if the Lange's you tried were the Women's or the Men's LF?
Embarrassed to admit, I don't know. assume in such a small size they were women's, but did not ask.
post #10 of 22
Watching this thread, Mom, as I have very similar feet and will be buying new boots for next season. (Planning another baby this year, so don't want to buy some and then have my feet change shape.)

Current boots are getting painful, though, with pack-out and heel and toe wear that is getting ugly. Old boot is a Lange L8 RaceFit (womens' model) which was the only one I could find at the time (2001) that worked for my little feet. At least my heels are wider than my grandmother's. . . she was quad-A and would never have found a ski boot!

Are you planning an aftermarket liner? I was considering foam, now maybe ZipFit to get the fit I want. Foam probably would fill up my narrow nooks and crannies best, but I have been hearing bad things about the gas it releases, not to mention that it really takes 20-30 days of tweaking & break-in. Chances are I will have a briefer season than normal next year with a baby & almost-three-year-old. Have you tried either aftermarket solution?

Mollie
post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by Mom
4. Did try the RL11. still too wide in the instep

Do you have a low instep? If you do, the XT will be great (low volume, narrow in the heel/ankle area and a low instep, 96 or 97mm forefoot). It seems it is more forgiving than the Dobie as far as freeskiing performance goes.

The Lange does have a high instep, but the Dobie also has a high instep.Perhaps you did not know this thing.

IMO to see how good the Dobie fits you could try the Dobie 150. Again just to see if the lower fits well.
post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by Mom
Hey all, thank you for your replies.

3. Yes, it was the Technica women's comsumer plug, the 90. found it very very soft, so the 130 is another option, but, again, hard to find.
Well, the H13 is the Diablo Race R, the true plug. It should be very similar to the Dobie 100 in terms of fit. It is MUCH lower volume than the 90 or 130. The H13 is a plastic indicator. It is the softest. The consumer Race Pro 130 is built in a H15 plastic while the 110 is a H13. But the Race R H13 is probably a little stiffer b/c it has thicker plastic.

Jamie
post #13 of 22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sywsyw
Do you have a low instep? If you do, the XT will be great (low volume, narrow in the heel/ankle area and a low instep, 96 or 97mm forefoot). It seems it is more forgiving than the Dobie as far as freeskiing performance goes.

The Lange does have a high instep, but the Dobie also has a high instep.Perhaps you did not know this thing.

IMO to see how good the Dobie fits you could try the Dobie 150. Again just to see if the lower fits well.
Thanks for the good ideas. Unfortunately, they don't make the 150 in such a small size as far as I can tell. My instep isn't low, just narrow, which is even more difficult.

In any event, I am OK for this season with the gerry-rigged boots I have. But was curious if anyone who is privvy to info on next year's stuff knows if it's true that several manufacturers are coming out with low volume, small sized boots.
post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by Mom
Unfortunately, they don't make the 150 in such a small size as far as I can tell. My instep isn't low, just narrow, which is even more difficult.
According to the Nordica website, they make the Dobermann WC 150 and WC 100 in a UK 3 and a UK 4.
UK 3 (22.5) Sole 267mm
UK 4 (23.5) Sole 275mm
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by Mom
But was curious if anyone who is privvy to info on next year's stuff knows if it's true that several manufacturers are coming out with low volume, small sized boots.
Are you sure? The trend is for wider and more comfortable boots. I have not seen a new line which is tageted at low volume feet.The only low volume boots are the plugs. The semi-plugs are not close.Yes there may be one or two exceptions but this is the rule.

Unfortunately, Jeff Bergeron did not make the list. I will ask him again. Hopefully, he will do it.
post #16 of 22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sywsyw
Are you sure? The trend is for wider and more comfortable boots. I have not seen a new line which is tageted at low volume feet.The only low volume boots are the plugs. The semi-plugs are not close.Yes there may be one or two exceptions but this is the rule.

Unfortunately, Jeff Bergeron did not make the list. I will ask him again. Hopefully, he will do it.
No, not sure, which is why i'm asking. But it was what the bootfitter told me he heard was coming to the "show". He said that in response from women in particular, some manufacturers were coming out with lower volume boots in smaller sizes. The Salomon rep was there and said their version was going to be called the "scarlet" (ick) but who knows. I suppose we'll find out soon enough if it was BS or wishful thinking.
post #17 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sywsyw
According to the Nordica website, they make the Dobermann WC 150 and WC 100 in a UK 3 and a UK 4.
UK 3 (22.5) Sole 267mm
UK 4 (23.5) Sole 275mm
Maybe they made four pair of each which were promptly purchased by the junior race team. (just kidding, but seriously, couldn't find any within reasonable driving distance, except the one pair of WC100s which were sold between the time I phoned and a couple of days later when I drove the five hours to the shop.)
post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by Mom
Maybe they made four pair of each which were promptly purchased by the junior race team. (just kidding, but seriously, couldn't find any within reasonable driving distance, except the one pair of WC100s which were sold between the time I phoned and a couple of days later when I drove the five hours to the shop.)
Sorry to hear about that.

Btw, did you try the Lange RL1? It is lower volume than the RL11. The latter has a wider and taller toebox and it seems a higher instep. You can find good deals on them. In fact, the RL1 (a hinged design) will have some advantages over the other plugs as far as freeskiing performance goes. Its design allows the boot to mimic the movement of the ankle better than the other boots and is more responsive to foot steering than the monoblocks or the boots which blur the hinge and mono design. So it freeskis great. In fact, Jeff Bergeron said that the RL1 is better for free skiing than the XT, which is also a good freeskiing boot. It all makes sense. that's why i tweaked my XT and made it like the RL1. It was better for racing/carving before i tweaked it, but now it is much better for freeskiing/mixed terrain. It is definitely one of the best freeskiing boots on the planet now with a fit that is much, much better than the RL1 (IMO) and has an excellent flex pattern and a similar freeski performance. I love the new design!

Jamie
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by sywsyw
that's why i tweaked my XT and made it like the RL1. It was better for racing/carving before i tweaked it, but now it is much better for freeskiing/mixed terrain. It is definitely one of the best freeskiing boots on the planet now with a fit that is much, much better than the RL1 (IMO) and has an excellent flex pattern and a similar freeski performance. I love the new design!

Jamie
Don't do it unless you have a good bootfitter or you are prepared to accept the fact that the boots can be ruined.
post #20 of 22
Did you try the Head RD96? That is about the narrowest boot I have had on, definitely more snug than the XT17. I own both the XT17 and the Dolomite Pro130Z, and they are comparable in width (the XT17 may get the nod as being slightly narrower in the forefoot and instep).
post #21 of 22
I (think ) I have some Raichle Flexon shells in a 23.0, you are welcome to them for cost of shipping. Let me see if I have some liners, if not, you can always find some thermoflex liners.
post #22 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgcatching
Did you try the Head RD96? That is about the narrowest boot I have had on, definitely more snug than the XT17. I own both the XT17 and the Dolomite Pro130Z, and they are comparable in width (the XT17 may get the nod as being slightly narrower in the forefoot and instep).
I tried on a Head, but I don't know which one. sorry. Finding a good selction is not a piece of cake, which is why I think I'll wait until before next season when there will be (i hope) more choices.

Thanks for the good suggestions and sympathy!
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