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K2 Seth Vicious 189 - Ski Review

post #1 of 27
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Skier Profile:6'4" 185 lbs. Level 8

I demoed these skis via Gart's (my work) last Monday while I was at Grand Targhee. It had snowed 13 inches the night before and that coupled with Targhee's massive snow amounts and wide open layout proved to be some great testing grounds.

The skis had incredible float (98mm underfoot) and were very light for how big they are at 189 cm. They seemed pretty user friendly for an east coaster with marginal powder experience. At Targhee there is very little grooming and these skis were perfect for that place.

However on the groomers these skis didn't handle well at all. They weren't terrible but that fact alone would keep me from buying them. For instance I was coming down one of the groomers at a pretty good clip and when I prepared to stop I completely came out of the skis while skidding to a stop. I can honestly say I have never fallen while stopping in my entire skiing career. I grew up playing hockey and this was one of the first things I mastered when learning how to ski. So I was a little surprised to say the least with my slide into home plate.

Overall I guess these skis would be perfect for someone who primarily needed some light skis for deep poweder or some AT use.
post #2 of 27
am i wrong or are you honestly blaming the skis for a wrong binding DIN setting?
post #3 of 27
I think he meant to say "the skis came out from under me"
perhaps indicating he thought they lacked edge hold

correct me if im wrong
post #4 of 27
While it is true that the Vicious may not be best suited to boilerplate (what a suprise!): I find that they absolutely rip on groomers! No they aren't going to rip as much as a pure carving ski, but then a pure caving ski will not perform it the powder the way the Vicious will.

I find that I have to take an execptionaly wide stance in order to get the Vicious over enough on edge to lay down RR tracks, but when you do they're kind of like driving a really fast steamroller down the hill. The nice thing about them too is if you're tired and want to relax a bit you can ski them old school style and not be punished for it.

Not the turniest ski I've ever been on like last seasons Mojo, but still a friggin blast for laying down huge Super G arcs at just about any speed mere mortals would choose to go. As far as booting out, that has never happened to be and would have nothing to do with the ski and everything to do with the binding.
post #5 of 27
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Originally Posted by Blizzboy283
Skier Profile:6'4" 185 lbs. Level 8

I demoed these skis via Gart's (my work) last Monday while I was at Grand Targhee. It had snowed 13 inches the night before and that coupled with Targhee's massive snow amounts and wide open layout proved to be some great testing grounds.

The skis had incredible float (98mm underfoot) and were very light for how big they are at 189 cm. They seemed pretty user friendly for an east coaster with marginal powder experience. At Targhee there is very little grooming and these skis were perfect for that place.

However on the groomers these skis didn't handle well at all. They weren't terrible but that fact alone would keep me from buying them. For instance I was coming down one of the groomers at a pretty good clip and when I prepared to stop I completely came out of the skis while skidding to a stop. I can honestly say I have never fallen while stopping in my entire skiing career. I grew up playing hockey and this was one of the first things I mastered when learning how to ski. So I was a little surprised to say the least with my slide into home plate.


Overall I guess these skis would be perfect for someone who primarily needed some light skis for deep poweder or some AT use.


WERE THESE SKIS OUTFITTED WITH MARKER BINDINGS????
post #6 of 27
Anyone care to comment on how the SV compares with the B3/B4's (95 waist model)? I would suspect that the SV woulid have better float due to the wider tip & waist?
post #7 of 27
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by snowdan
am i wrong or are you honestly blaming the skis for a wrong binding DIN setting?
See below comment...


Quote:
Originally Posted by pechelman
I think he meant to say "the skis came out from under me"
perhaps indicating he thought they lacked edge hold

correct me if im wrong
Yes, that is what I meant. Thanks for clearing that up!
post #8 of 27
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Originally Posted by jennytalia
WERE THESE SKIS OUTFITTED WITH MARKER BINDINGS????
Yes they were. :
post #9 of 27
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirel
While it is true that the Vicious may not be best suited to boilerplate (what a suprise!): I find that they absolutely rip on groomers! No they aren't going to rip as much as a pure carving ski, but then a pure caving ski will not perform it the powder the way the Vicious will.

I find that I have to take an execptionaly wide stance in order to get the Vicious over enough on edge to lay down RR tracks, but when you do they're kind of like driving a really fast steamroller down the hill. The nice thing about them too is if you're tired and want to relax a bit you can ski them old school style and not be punished for it.

Not the turniest ski I've ever been on like last seasons Mojo, but still a friggin blast for laying down huge Super G arcs at just about any speed mere mortals would choose to go. As far as booting out, that has never happened to be and would have nothing to do with the ski and everything to do with the binding.
I thought they were fine on the groomers until I skied the Apache Outlaws, then I saw a huge difference. I guess I didn't make it clear in my post, and its my fault, but the edge old left something else to be desired but I had the bindings set a full one number higher then usual. I know the bindings had a part but the edge hold was just not there and then it just gripped fully.
post #10 of 27

Seth

My son skis on the Seth for his everyday ski. They rip on the groomers!!! I saw him laying the skis over with ease. If these skis were demos from the area I would be concerned about how they were tuned. I've seen some of these skis with burrs so bad you'd think they were trying to replace a ginzu knife. However, I think the Outlaw is one of the best skis made for all conditions. Yeah, they're not light, but take all that width, 2 sheets of metal and demo bindings....not the lightest set up. Skied this past weekend in Whistler...12" new on Sat. and Sunday had every condition from soft crud, groomers and hard snow(bottom of the Mtn). They handled everything I could throw at em'. Keep up the good work K2.
post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by cruddog
My son skis on the Seth for his everyday ski. They rip on the groomers!!! I saw him laying the skis over with ease. If these skis were demos from the area I would be concerned about how they were tuned. I've seen some of these skis with burrs so bad you'd think they were trying to replace a ginzu knife. However, I think the Outlaw is one of the best skis made for all conditions. Yeah, they're not light, but take all that width, 2 sheets of metal and demo bindings....not the lightest set up. Skied this past weekend in Whistler...12" new on Sat. and Sunday had every condition from soft crud, groomers and hard snow(bottom of the Mtn). They handled everything I could throw at em'. Keep up the good work K2.
Supposedly I was only the second person to use them but the edges did seem dull and I wouldn't mind giving them another go after they were sharpened.
post #12 of 27
I love my 179's in pow-pow, but hate them on the groomers...even soft groomers. They just aren't as "versatile" as the older Seth Pistols in my opinion. Others may think differently, but I agree that they leave a lot to be desired when it is less than deep.
post #13 of 27
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Originally Posted by Blizzboy283
Yes they were. :
I don't want to start a "border war" but I have had similar experiences on Marker bindings. Even with their newer offerings (regardless of the DIN max or size of the spring) retention can be a problem with some individualos. Their toe pieces allegedly have some of the lower travel specs of the alpine bindings out there. Lower front travel=lower front release threshold. Do a binding search on this site as well as Teton Graviry Research--you'll get a lot of perspective. I ski only Salomon (9 series) and Look/Rossi bindings and haven't had a problem since with "premature ejacu-release-tion". j
post #14 of 27

Great Ski

I thought these skis were tons of fun and easy to ski in any conditions I encountered in the 6 full days I skied them. Very stable at high speeds, powder and groomed, yet quick in the tighter trees. They make a nice landing platform and I didnt have any trouble with my hockey stops, no problems with binding release(DIN on 10, they go to 12), good all around Rocky Mountain ski. I was actually the only person to use those skis before you and was upset when my friendly Gart associate told me you had returned them with a broken toe piece and I would not be able to have them that day. Thanks for adding scratches to the skis I plan on buying... Next time get a ski properly suited to your actual skiing ability not your size and crank the bindings down cupcake.
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by liftlineheckler
I thought these skis were tons of fun and easy to ski in any conditions I encountered in the 6 full days I skied them. Very stable at high speeds, powder and groomed, yet quick in the tighter trees. They make a nice landing platform and I didnt have any trouble with my hockey stops, no problems with binding release(DIN on 10, they go to 12), good all around Rocky Mountain ski. I was actually the only person to use those skis before you and was upset when my friendly Gart associate told me you had returned them with a broken toe piece and I would not be able to have them that day. Thanks for adding scratches to the skis I plan on buying... Next time get a ski properly suited to your actual skiing ability not your size and crank the bindings down cupcake.
Well Cupcake, seeing how the HEEL piece broke and not the toe piece I think you have the wrong person or you are just a moron and don't know the toe from the heel. Also seeing how there were a fair amount of damage already (I guess it was you who scratched them up I did quite a bit of work on them to make them respectable both before and after I used them. I work as a ski tech for Sports Authority, Gart's parent company and Dave (Gart Associate) really helped me out. Say hi to him for me and try not to be a troll in all your future posts.

P.S. you must be the best skier on earth to judge my ability within one post. You sir are an Ass! :
post #16 of 27

sally

well, it was the heel piece not the toe piece, dave reminded me last night when i was borrowing the skis again. there was absolutly no performance reducing damage to those skis when you took them, you must be a tech nerd. here in jackson burred edges and small ptex scratches are a way of life. i skied the skis again yesterday and today and really messed them up, it appears that 100" of base is not quite enough to cover all the rocks. anyway man, have fun in PA with all the rain and shit, i sir am a real ass who gets to ski the tetons everyday, chump. oh by the way, its dumping here again... hows life behind the counter at sports auth?
post #17 of 27

getting back on topic

I just skied the seth's this past weekend, and going from the atomic snoop daddy's there was a large difference most notably on the groomers. However, this is a ski that takes some time to get a handle on. The first thing I noticed is that the tails of the seths were washing out when coming out of turns, not surprising since its a twin tip designed for park and deep powder use mainly. With that said, a park ski is made for maneuverability and sweet soft landing, and the seth does exactly that. I dont know what peopel are talking about when they claim it has poor maneuverability. On my first attempt to ride switch, halfway through the transition the skis propelled themselves effortlessly. Similarly coming out of switch, all that was required was the turn initiation and the skis did the rest. In light of this, one shouldnt expect the seths to be on the same level as the snoop daddy or any other carving ski on groomers. This did however make skiing the seths much more fun as they provided more challenge on groomers and high speeds. Big mountain and freestyle oriented skiiers will appreciate the seths, those that have gripes about them shouldn't even be skiiing them in the first place. PEACE!
post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by lovelife View Post
I just skied the seth's this past weekend, and going from the atomic snoop daddy's there was a large difference most notably on the groomers. However, this is a ski that takes some time to get a handle on. The first thing I noticed is that the tails of the seths were washing out when coming out of turns, not surprising since its a twin tip designed for park and deep powder use mainly. With that said, a park ski is made for maneuverability and sweet soft landing, and the seth does exactly that. I dont know what peopel are talking about when they claim it has poor maneuverability. On my first attempt to ride switch, halfway through the transition the skis propelled themselves effortlessly. Similarly coming out of switch, all that was required was the turn initiation and the skis did the rest. In light of this, one shouldnt expect the seths to be on the same level as the snoop daddy or any other carving ski on groomers. This did however make skiing the seths much more fun as they provided more challenge on groomers and high speeds. Big mountain and freestyle oriented skiiers will appreciate the seths, those that have gripes about them shouldn't even be skiiing them in the first place. PEACE!
Let me get this right... So if I didn't love the skis, that means I must not be able to handle them? I said they ripped in the powder and in my opinion were one of the easier powder skis to ski. But because I said they leave something less then to be desired on the groomers and thus I probably wouldn't buy them bars me being able to use them? I totally agree about the effortless transition to switch but I ride switch all the time on several different skis that aren't twin tipped, and quite frankly riding switch is pretty easy on any ski, twin tipped or not. Maybe if you need twin tipped skis to ride switch, you shouldn't judge others. :
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by Blizzboy283 View Post
Let me get this right... So if I didn't love the skis, that means I must not be able to handle them? I said they ripped in the powder and in my opinion were one of the easier powder skis to ski. But because I said they leave something less then to be desired on the groomers and thus I probably wouldn't buy them bars me being able to use them? I totally agree about the effortless transition to switch but I ride switch all the time on several different skis that aren't twin tipped, and quite frankly riding switch is pretty easy on any ski, twin tipped or not. Maybe if you need twin tipped skis to ride switch, you shouldn't judge others. :
Both of you clowns (Blizzboy283 & Liftlineheckler) are retards (yes, I dropped the "R" bomb, no I'm not interested in being lectured in the propriety of its usage)

This is a review thread, and unfiltered, biased opinions of the product are useful precisely because they are OPINIONS.

Screw you liftlineheckler for jumping all over this guy's A**, and for giving him hell over "scratches". I thought "burred edges and small p-tex scratches" were a way of life for you.

Up yours Blizzboy283 for taking the bait.

I wanted to read some reviews on the ski I just bought, not listen to a couple of gapers thump their dummies all over the thread.

As far as my review goes:

They look really cool in the shrink wrap sitting next to my mountain bike in the garage. I'll get back to you after Tahoe gets a few more dumps...
post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by e-bo-b View Post
Both of you clowns (Blizzboy283 & Liftlineheckler) are retards (yes, I dropped the "R" bomb, no I'm not interested in being lectured in the propriety of its usage)
This thread is almost a year old. Does anyone care? I hardly think that dishing on a guy with 2 posts is really going to bother him much...
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by e-bo-b View Post
Both of you clowns (Blizzboy283 & Liftlineheckler) are retards (yes, I dropped the "R" bomb, no I'm not interested in being lectured in the propriety of its usage)

This is a review thread, and unfiltered, biased opinions of the product are useful precisely because they are OPINIONS.

Screw you liftlineheckler for jumping all over this guy's A**, and for giving him hell over "scratches". I thought "burred edges and small p-tex scratches" were a way of life for you.

Up yours Blizzboy283 for taking the bait.

I wanted to read some reviews on the ski I just bought, not listen to a couple of gapers thump their dummies all over the thread.

As far as my review goes:

They look really cool in the shrink wrap sitting next to my mountain bike in the garage. I'll get back to you after Tahoe gets a few more dumps...

Wow, what a great first impression! That was a very informative first post. I'm sure the rest of the bears would join me in saying that we look forward to your future informative posts. :
post #22 of 27
I've got my 189 seths on the way from an eBay score last week. I'm an ex bump skier from the old days and generally hate the piggish nature of a fat ski underfoot but, hey, time to get with the program and try the new technology. For older guys like me that grew up skiing power on 205 slalom boards, any of these new skis is going to be awsome in the fresh and deep. I sometimes think people get too hung up on the gear just go rip it up and forget the hype.
post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by johnnybad1 View Post
I've got my 189 seths on the way from an eBay score last week. I'm an ex bump skier from the old days and generally hate the piggish nature of a fat ski underfoot but, hey, time to get with the program and try the new technology. For older guys like me that grew up skiing power on 205 slalom boards, any of these new skis is going to be awsome in the fresh and deep. I sometimes think people get too hung up on the gear just go rip it up and forget the hype.
Amen!!!

Got some 179 K2 Fujatives and Have 188 Coomba's enroute..for a guy that in the old days skied 207 to 223's

My 179 Fuji's track better than ANY old 210 I had back in the day

This new technology rocks compaired to my old Rossi ST650's!!!!!
post #24 of 27
interestingly I find the seths rock on groomers at speed and even make some really nice short raduis falline turns on hardpack.
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
interestingly I find the seths rock on groomers at speed and even make some really nice short raduis falline turns on hardpack.
What model year are the skis? They also weren't my own skis so I didn't tune them as I would my own. My review is pretty outdated.
post #26 of 27

Seths at the Castle Storm of the Century...

Ok well, hahaha, were do I start with the Seth review....my first ever day on fat boards there was 90cm of new at Castle Mountain and combined with the windsift, the snow was bottomless in places coming over our heads we couldn't breath. It snowed a foot per day for a month and we started taking work days off and going down there for the best powder skiing of the century. Those seth are amazing powder skis and on a 45 degree slope with 3 feet of new I was blasting out of turns right off the snow what a fantastic experience...and on the cat tracks back to the lift they rail pretty good too. After the storm ended I skied them on some groomers and found them kind of annoying just because, well, why bother since I have a pair of GS boards in my pickup truck for ripping grommers.
I love the Seth, they broke my virginity for fat skis!
post #27 of 27
i think that these skis are amazing i have the 169's and i weigh 145 so there floating is great, but i love the back country jumping and i occasionaly hit up the park and slide rails and the bases hold up, i love the width  of the tails it makes landing switch in the powder so much easier the only problem i noticed is that the top sheet on mihe is just getting destroyed but why use them and expect them to stay new.

ohh and for sliding out when stopping i like the fact that they dont grip, kinda weird but then when spining and landing with an over or under rotation it is easier to finish the landing and not crash, but also i am rarly on the groomers with these skis
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