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post #1 of 31
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Upon numerous reads on this forum and others I took the plunge and purchased a pair of b5 metrons 172 cm. I got a pretty good deal as they were used once in the ski canada mag. tests. I'm 6' 207 lbs. in my mind an agressive expert" I was previously skiing the R11 pulse 180 cm. The first day out I immediately noticed a much smaller sweeet spot than the r11's. You really have to be "over" these skis.If your mechanics are precise (mine aren't all the time) the ski rewards you like no other I have skied. The edge hold is incredible I believe better than the R11s. It took me about half a day in varied conditons at Whistler powder, packed powder, and groomed to get a true feel and comfort zone on the ski. Second day skiing in 36" new at Whistler Jan 14 they performed great in all conditions includind waist deep pow, bumps etc. I found they or perhaps I were equally at home doing short radius thru powder and packed powder or even super Gs thru packed crud (crap) lower down the mountain. A stable silky ride in all conditons rewards good tecnique punishes tecnical flaws. You get instant feedback if not over (centered) on your skis especially early in the turn. Will make you a better skier. Kudos to the forums on helping me make my decision to purchase.
ps Top 2/3 of whistler Blackomb is fabulous.

regards
post #2 of 31
It was my first day on the B5's this weekend, as well. I am almost identical in size, skill, etc. and purchased the B5 in 172.

While I completely agree with the stability you describe, in basically all turn shapes, I was really surprised at how well the ski responds to a soft edge. It didn't feel that difficult to ski.

The only issue I had was with the tremendous amount of rebound on the first few runs. If you step on it, that ski will come out of a turn with authority!!

All in all, I'm thrilled.
post #3 of 31
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Originally Posted by denski
The only issue I had was with the tremendous amount of rebound on the first few runs. If you step on it, that ski will come out of a turn with authority!!
i call it slingshot-ing. i love it
post #4 of 31
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Originally Posted by denski
The only issue I had was with the tremendous amount of rebound on the first few runs. If you step on it, that ski will come out of a turn with authority!!

All in all, I'm thrilled.
My husband skis on several different skis but his favorites are the Volkl 724 Pros 184cm. A totally different ski than the Metron B5. We ski very different styles from one another.
A few weeks ago he jumped off his Pros and onto my Metrons(he just had to try them out).
I warned him "THEY LIKE TO TURN, HONEY!"

While he was collecting my skis, which were scattered down the slope, I was thinking.....Where was my camera? He found out that they come out of a turn with authority!
He picked himself up from the misshap, while I picked myself up from falling down laughing!(does that make me a bad wife?)

All in all....I'm thrilled, too!
post #5 of 31
Nice reviews, all! I think you probably mean the B5 in 172, extremeskier?

trekchick, I suspect that he's used to really cranking the skis over, which is unnecessary on the B5s. Also, if he over-pressures the tails, they'll tighten the turns up too fast for most folks to handle.

Want to discover the difference between the tip and tail sidecut? On a very gentle trail, ski switch. Then, carve turns switch. Beware! They'll be much tighter than when you're skiing normal!
post #6 of 31
extremeskier, where do you have the bindings? You may want to try the other location and see if that changes your impression of the "sweet spot". I've been skiing my 05/06s at Center, but skied my 04/05s at Forward. I think moving them gives a different feel, and it may be a bit more challenging to find the balance point when they are at Center.
post #7 of 31
SSH,

You are right on about how these like to be driven. Once I let them flow, they were amazing, but the first few runs when I tried to really drive them, I about got bucked.

I had them mounted at Center, and it seems about perfect. I assume that would help a little in long turn radius?? I kept hearing about them being turny, but I could put jsut a little edge on them and they would arc long turns at ridiculous speeds.
post #8 of 31
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Originally Posted by ssh
trekchick, I suspect that he's used to really cranking the skis over, which is unnecessary on the B5s. Also, if he over-pressures the tails, they'll tighten the turns up too fast for most folks to handle.

Want to discover the difference between the tip and tail sidecut? On a very gentle trail, ski switch. Then, carve turns switch. Beware! They'll be much tighter than when you're skiing normal!
Everything you said was true. I bought these skis because I loved the "turny" nature. And I've enjoyed playing with the alternate performance you get from them when you play around. There is definitely a difference in performance depending on where you load your body weight. Load the tip and grab onto your tush. Load the tail and ride out the s curve(I think I'm describing it correctly, but I'm not too good putting my thoughts in black and white). I hope you know what I mean

Anyway.....I guess the "man of the house" didn't take me seriously when he jumped on them. Now he knows....I'm a woman of truth!:
post #9 of 31
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Originally Posted by denski
SSH,

You are right on about how these like to be driven. Once I let them flow, they were amazing, but the first few runs when I tried to really drive them, I about got bucked.

I had them mounted at Center, and it seems about perfect. I assume that would help a little in long turn radius?? I kept hearing about them being turny, but I could put jsut a little edge on them and they would arc long turns at ridiculous speeds.
This is an amazing analysis. I was shocked to find out how easy these were in an edge-edge transition.
With my weight 130lbs, and a 162cm, This ski offers me the opportunity for long turns as well as tight little turny runs down the hill. Either way. I love "driving" them.

I too have them "center" mounted, but wonder if it would make much of a difference (as a woman) to "forward" mount them. Any thoughts on that from those of you who are Waaayyyy Smarter than I am?
post #10 of 31
It's easy to move them, so why not try a run or two with them in "forward" (after a few warm-up runs, ideally, so you can really feel the difference). They will initiate faster at "forward", but I think the sweet spot may also widen a bit. I haven't swapped them yet this year, but may try that when I get an opportunity (morning on center, afternoon forward, perhaps).
post #11 of 31
Steve,

If you move the mount to forward, would that reduce the medium to longer turning capabilities? It already nails short turns, and it didn't feel particularly unforgiving to me, so I'm wondering the merits (if I don't feel they are unforgiving, and they already turn nicely)
post #12 of 31

Amazing B5s

[yes I took the plunge today as well, I am 6 2 and 185lbs, the ski rep advised me to take a 172, I was somewhat apprehensive as I am light for my height, and was thinking of the 162s.
Also this is the first time I have been on shaped skis, ever..
But I pulled the trigger with no demo, new boots as well.
I have read all I could on the Atomics and other skis in there class.. I wanted something I could grow into. I am used to skiing on Fischer vac tec 200s, ole skis from the 80s.
I decided to take them up to the Olympic hill here in Calgary.
Took the lift up and then just went for it..
I could not wipe the smile off my face, they almost skied by themselves, just the slightest amount of effort to turn them.. Ok first run down.. Back up and now to open them up, these skis are so easy to ski on,whoa, ! hard turn,just crouch down and hold on, they ski, as though they are on invisible rails.. Although I can push the tails out if I want..
After a few runs I was skiing both feet together parralell style, others have reported they cannot ski with feet together I found this to be very easy,however while doing this I found I was skiing on both skis, as with my old 200s I always had most of my weight on my downhill ski.
So far I love these skis and are worth every cent.
I cannot wait to get them upto the mountains this weekend
QUOTE=extremeskier]Upon numerous reads on this forum and others I took the plunge and purchased a pair of b5 metrons 172 cm. I got a pretty good deal as they were used once in the ski canada mag. tests. I'm 6' 207 lbs. in my mind an agressive expert" I was previously skiing the R11 pulse 180 cm. The first day out I immediately noticed a much smaller sweeet spot than the r11's. You really have to be "over" these skis.If your mechanics are precise (mine aren't all the time) the ski rewards you like no other I have skied. The edge hold is incredible I believe better than the R11s. It took me about half a day in varied conditons at Whistler powder, packed powder, and groomed to get a true feel and comfort zone on the ski. Second day skiing in 36" new at Whistler Jan 14 they performed great in all conditions includind waist deep pow, bumps etc. I found they or perhaps I were equally at home doing short radius thru powder and packed powder or even super Gs thru packed crud (crap) lower down the mountain. A stable silky ride in all conditons rewards good tecnique punishes tecnical flaws. You get instant feedback if not over (centered) on your skis especially early in the turn. Will make you a better skier. Kudos to the forums on helping me make my decision to purchase.
ps Top 2/3 of whistler Blackomb is fabulous.

regards[/quote]
post #13 of 31
hmm ... you guys are winning me over - I need to demo these things soon ....
post #14 of 31
I wanted to ditto some of the comments on staying on top of these skis. Last Friday I skied nonstop from 11 to 4:30, not stopping for lunch even. I had a great, great day on the B5s. The runs were groomed and fairly hard as it was around 4 degrres on the mountain. (wear good baselayers). I need to add that at my age (58) I am definately shying away from bumps and crud, although moderate powder is fine. Anyway, I carved and arced away all day on blue and single black diammond runs and didn't get tired or didn't even fall down one time. I had no muscle soreness or tiredness that evening or the next morning. I echo the "making one a better skier" comments. Then Saturday, I skied again and I realize that in fact I must have been tired. Different hill, different snow. I have a favorite black diamond run and crashed twice (easy falls) when I got behind the center of the skis. I did not do that run again. Then I went to another favorite moderate black diamond and fell again...again I know the skis got ahead of me. So, it is very true that these are great, great skis...but you need to be on top of them at all times. I think I was just wore out from the first day and didn't realize it at the time. I'm anxious to get back on them!
post #15 of 31
I didn't like the forward position on mine. It made the ski too twitchy & nervous when letting it run. It would catch & turn when you didn't want them to. This ski is so torsionally stiff that the slightest edge pressure will make it grab & turn.
post #16 of 31
I finally got on a pair of Metron B5's this weekend.

My impression going into the demo---Gaper ski. My impression coming out--- Nada.

Ski length 162cm Position centered.

Skier 5'9" 205lbs 53 years old
Level 9, PSIA level 3 cert trainer accreditation.

Snow condition, packed powder groomed on the first day and 8" of fresh pushed into crud and piles of snow with ice in between. Resort, Holiday Valley, NY

The person who let me try the skis was an upper intermediate/advanced non agressive skier who did not like the skis. The first thing I did was a flat 360 on the snow followed by some carved turns. It took all of about 30 seconds to realize why he did not like this ski.

In anything other than a pure carve the B5 is not terribly forgiving and wants to be driven precisely. I instantly loved this ski as it happens to be exactly what I have been looking for.

I was looking for a ski that would make short blue/green groomers come alive. The Metron B5 does just that, (I suppose that is the defintion of a Gaper ski though) The carve precise beautiful turns a relatively slow speeds. They will carve RR tracks from the back seat or the front seat but prefer to be driven from the center. They do reward back seat carving so I guess thats also in the definition of a Gaper ski.

The minute that you get away from pure carving the B5 does not reward inefficient inputs. If you drive them efficiently they are still a real pleasure. If you ski by pushing the tails around you might want to bypass on this ski.

In short round (short swing type) turns they are a lot of work but the energy out of them is fabulous. All good fun

Edge hold is tenacious and reliable. Even at my weight I had no problem putting them over and carving right across the ice and through the piles of snow.

I did ski bumps through the trees but I have no idea what to say as all skis seem okay to me in bumps. Bumps are just familiar friends. I would guess that if you ski bumps by checking speed with edge sets that this ski would tend to punish you. I thought they were loads of fun in the bumps.

The gentleman had only skied these skis a couple of times and wanted pennies on the dollar for them so I bought them.
post #17 of 31
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Originally Posted by Pierre View Post
I finally got on a pair of Metron B5's this weekend.

My impression going into the demo---Gaper ski. My impression coming out--- Nada.

Ski length 162cm Position centered.

Skier 5'9" 205lbs 53 years old
Level 9, PSIA level 3 cert trainer accreditation.

Snow condition, packed powder groomed on the first day and 8" of fresh pushed into crud and piles of snow with ice in between. Resort, Holiday Valley, NY

The person who let me try the skis was an upper intermediate/advanced non agressive skier who did not like the skis. The first thing I did was a flat 360 on the snow followed by some carved turns. It took all of about 30 seconds to realize why he did not like this ski.

In anything other than a pure carve the B5 is not terribly forgiving and wants to be driven precisely. I instantly loved this ski as it happens to be exactly what I have been looking for.

I was looking for a ski that would make short blue/green groomers come alive. The Metron B5 does just that, (I suppose that is the defintion of a Gaper ski though) The carve precise beautiful turns a relatively slow speeds. They will carve RR tracks from the back seat or the front seat but prefer to be driven from the center. They do reward back seat carving so I guess thats also in the definition of a Gaper ski.

The minute that you get away from pure carving the B5 does not reward inefficient inputs. If you drive them efficiently they are still a real pleasure. If you ski by pushing the tails around you might want to bypass on this ski.

In short round (short swing type) turns they are a lot of work but the energy out of them is fabulous. All good fun

Edge hold is tenacious and reliable. Even at my weight I had no problem putting them over and carving right across the ice and through the piles of snow.

I did ski bumps through the trees but I have no idea what to say as all skis seem okay to me in bumps. Bumps are just familiar friends. I would guess that if you ski bumps by checking speed with edge sets that this ski would tend to punish you. I thought they were loads of fun in the bumps.

The gentleman had only skied these skis a couple of times and wanted pennies on the dollar for them so I bought them.
they are a gaper ski because at any area that has real off trail terrain, they simply can not be skied all day at the speed of an equal skier who is on mid fats that are long.

2nd Biggest improvement to my skiing

skiing metron B5s

biggest improvement to my skiing

getting rid of metron B5s.
post #18 of 31
Pierre,
If you get convinced to get rid of them, I will take them off your hands, as they refused to warranty the cracked edge on the third pair of my B5s. I may be forced to move on to CrimsonTI, as I cannot get B5s fom Atomics anymore . And I do stay on the slopes at Keystone all day every day every day, and I still have to to fall behind guys half my son's age...
post #19 of 31
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Originally Posted by AE View Post
Pierre,
If you get convinced to get rid of them, I will take them off your hands, as they refused to warranty the cracked edge on the third pair of my B5s. I may be forced to move on to CrimsonTI, as I cannot get B5s fom Atomics anymore . And I do stay on the slopes at Keystone all day every day every day, and I still have to to fall behind guys half my son's age...
3 pair with cracked edges? I should really cross post this to fellow who want Crimsons for off trail skiing.

this excactly what happen to mine. I then gave them away to another instructor who then ripped the edge out a month or 2 later.
post #20 of 31
Seriously,
I have to order a replacement of B5s today or tomorrow, as the cracked edge might give out at any time (although I have been skiing at least 30 days since I noticed). Would TI do the job?
In conjunction with Hawx 110 (120 is not available)? I tried regular Crimsons and Hawx90 about a year ago, and they did not rock my boat at all...
post #21 of 31
86mm under foot. If you ski mostly in Ohio / midatlantic, why would you want an everyday ski that wide? I doubt the bite on ice will be comparable to a 65-70mm wide ski. Personally I didn't think the metrons had as much bite as narrow skis. But they were close.
post #22 of 31
I ski primarily at Keystone (60 days for the last couple of years and 162 days on my sabbatical 4 years ago, when I wore out two pairs of B5s)and something like 30 here in Ohio and NY/PA.
B5s were super for both - a real one ski quiver! Now,though , I am at a loss...
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post #24 of 31
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post
86mm under foot. If you ski mostly in Ohio / midatlantic, why would you want an everyday ski that wide? I doubt the bite on ice will be comparable to a 65-70mm wide ski. Personally I didn't think the metrons had as much bite as narrow skis. But they were close.
The B5 is not 86mm under the foot, but 76. The MEX is 84mm, and at that width they are starting to get some leverage on your boot.
post #25 of 31
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Originally Posted by newfydog View Post
The B5 is not 86mm under the foot, but 76. The MEX is 84mm, and at that width they are starting to get some leverage on your boot.
Umm... I didn't say that. And you are correct. He was asking if the crimson TI which is 86mm underfoot would be a worthy replacement for the B5. I was answering that question.
post #26 of 31
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Originally Posted by AE View Post
Pierre,
If you get convinced to get rid of them, I will take them off your hands, as they refused to warranty the cracked edge on the third pair of my B5s.
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
3 pair with cracked edges? I should really cross post this to fellow who want Crimsons for off trail skiing.

this excactly what happen to mine. I then gave them away to another instructor who then ripped the edge out a month or 2 later.
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Originally Posted by AE View Post
Seriously,
I have to order a replacement of B5s today or tomorrow, as the cracked edge might give out at any time (although I have been skiing at least 30 days since I noticed).
I also have cracked edges on my B5s - 1 crack on each edge of one pair of skis (4 cracks total). I didn't realize this was common with the Metron B5s. I thought maybe I was unduly harsh on my skis thereby causing the cracks.

Even before I came across this thread, I checked on a warranty claim with Atomic. I'm still waiting to hear whether they'll warranty my skis for this condition. Based on your experiences, it looks like I may have some difficulty getting warranty coverage. I did offer to accept the Nomad Crimson (non Ti model) instead of B5s as replacement skis. I'm told that B5s are still available this year in the U.S. I'm not interested in another pair of those at this point, however. While I really liked the B5s, it's time for me to move on to bigger & better skis. I liked the Crimsons & the Nordica Helldivers when I demoed them last weekend.

Is there a concern that the Crimsons will also have the cracked edge problem? I sure hope not given how much Atomic charges for their skis. I'm interested in what you guys know about this situation with Atomic.
post #27 of 31
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Originally Posted by madskier6 View Post
I also have cracked edges on my B5s - 1 crack on each edge of one pair of skis (4 cracks total). I didn't realize this was common with the Metron B5s. I thought maybe I was unduly harsh on my skis thereby causing the cracks.

Even before I came across this thread, I checked on a warranty claim with Atomic. I'm still waiting to hear whether they'll warranty my skis for this condition. Based on your experiences, it looks like I may have some difficulty getting warranty coverage. I did offer to accept the Nomad Crimson (non Ti model) instead of B5s as replacement skis. I'm told that B5s are still available this year in the U.S. I'm not interested in another pair of those at this point, however. While I really liked the B5s, it's time for me to move on to bigger & better skis. I liked the Crimsons & the Nordica Helldivers when I demoed them last weekend.

Is there a concern that the Crimsons will also have the cracked edge problem? I sure hope not given how much Atomic charges for their skis. I'm interested in what you guys know about this situation with Atomic.
I to would like to know as the crimson TI is on my wish list. Theres still some B5,s up hear in PG was looking at them today. Theres also several Suger Daddys.
post #28 of 31

Cracked Edge

I have the Crimsons from 2007 and noticed at the beginning of this year that there was a small hairline fracture under the heel of one of my skiies. Took it to a local shop and they said since there is some base damage and some nicked edges (not on the crack though) they likely wouldn't replace them as they a year old. I'm pretty pissed about the whole situation since these are $1,000 skies... any suggestions for a New Englander?

All in all the Crimison is such a sick ski words just cannot describe the ride... Its a love hate relationship right now!

Though I'm super nervous the simple cracked edge will blow (even if I only ski it as the outside edge).
post #29 of 31
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Originally Posted by moripper View Post
I have the Crimsons from 2007 and noticed at the beginning of this year that there was a small hairline fracture under the heel of one of my skiies. Took it to a local shop and they said since there is some base damage and some nicked edges (not on the crack though) they likely wouldn't replace them as they a year old. I'm pretty pissed about the whole situation since these are $1,000 skies... any suggestions for a New Englander?

All in all the Crimison is such a sick ski words just cannot describe the ride... Its a love hate relationship right now!

Though I'm super nervous the simple cracked edge will blow (even if I only ski it as the outside edge).
Dont buy a capped atomic again. they suck for durablity.
post #30 of 31

Crimson TI for Metron B5

Anyone wants to trade gently used B5s for my Crimson TIs that I have used for 5 days?
I want my B5s ... CrimsonTI is definitely not a one ski quiver for me.
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