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post #31 of 51
Thread Starter 
Folks, could you please just stop.

Seriously, I mean, just stop.

I'm new to Epicski and I'm glad they've kindly provided this new forum for discussing snowboarding. Do the later posts in this thread represent what you want to make out of it?

I post here and elsewhere on the internet using my real name. From now until the end of time, anyone searching "Michael Matola" is going to come across the nonsense that's in this thread.

Me -- I'm going riding this weekend in western New York: Saturday at Bristol and Sunday at Holiday Valley. I wear black pants, a black and cream jacket, and a black helmet. I ride a Donek Wide 156 with a clear topsheet. Say hello if you see me.
post #32 of 51

O(n) Topic

I'd like to know more about how folks are doing these maneuvers.

Does type of board matter? Is a small SR better to perform these than a large SR? Hardboots only? Is anyone doing them on softies?

Specifically, what type of terrain have you found to be best for this? Steeps? Flats? Sidehills?

Would you recommend a newbie this move try 'em toeside or heelside? To perform a figure 8, would it be any easier to start toeside/heelside?



I second the earlier call for pics or vids. Especially the 720s and figure 8s.

Thanks.
B-2
post #33 of 51
I will be at the Mac Tracks event. It'll probably be my first time on my SB this year. I have tried but am unable to pull off a carved 360 where I come out of the cicrle anywhere near where I went in. The last 90-120 degrees or so is usually just floated around on a flat board. I expect to come away from that event being able to do them (with a lot of help from you folks)
post #34 of 51
Michael and the rest of you - I apologize for the off topic rant.

Back on topic. I had one free run today - the rest was clinics, lessons, and supervising. On that free run I had the opportunity to do a figure 8 on my SL board. Like I said, I had already done them on my skis, and I had also done a 720 on my skis. Unfortunately, one run did not allow for the 720 attempt on a board.

B2 - I have posted a really poor diagram of how I do it. Sorry, I am not a whiz at that kind of stuff. I am goofy, so I start on toeside. Today I was on my F2 SL 166. I have not gone over 540 on softies. Mike S. (eastern examiner) says that he has done 7's on softies. In hardboots, I like heelside, but I think (and have been told) that people tend to prefer toeside.

My slalom skis rip this stuff very easily. My SL board does well too. My GS board is still my favorite for rolling single circles, though. On softies I tend to only try singles.

As far as video and pics, I hope to get that at MAC tracks. We have a guy just to run the camera. Keep your fingers crossed about the conditions that day. Today they were perfect.
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post #35 of 51

Thanks

Thanks, Phil, for the diagram and info.

I'm glad you sketched it out. I wasn't envisioning an "8" as overlaid "s" turns--but it makes sense. I thought folks were describing two complete, adjacent, 360 degree circles, performed in sequence:



Anyone do them this way?
post #36 of 51
mr. thrills- nice diagram- thanks.
they're harder than they sound, right?
terrain choice is key with regard to 8s on a board, on skis
we have that luxury of stepping.
congrats on executing it, though- i find it to be a very difficult move.
boostertwo- i'm not sure i follow your diagram, or, more concisely, the difference beteween yours and mr. thrills'
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post #37 of 51
B2 - thanks for putting my diagram to shame. Computer diagrams are definitely not my forte.

I just did the eight like my kindergarten teacher told me how to draw it.


Vlad - I don't step on my skis at all - I carve just like on a board. I am a boarder who skis in his free time, so I ski much like I board. I chose the same terrain that we will be running the comp on.
post #38 of 51
B2 - what program did you use for that diagram?
post #39 of 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by vlad
boostertwo- i'm not sure i follow your diagram, or, more concisely, the difference beteween yours and mr. thrills'
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Sorry about the confusion. Phil diagrams an "8" made by overlaying two "S"-type curves on top of each other.

I was curious as to whether anyone does them as two consecutive, full 360 degree donuts: one toeside, and one heelside (or vice-versa). On the diagram it would be doing a full blue donut, the a full red one.

In rereading the posts, it sounds like that's the approach that you might be taking.

Phil, your diagram was excellent--it quickly showed me what you were talking about--and allowed me to see that there might be more than one way to perform a figure eight. The diagram was made in Photoshop.



I'd still love to see some vid clips or sequences of this...
post #40 of 51
Thread Starter 
Very cool diagrams.

Now, just to show how different people envison things differently -- when I first read here about doing figure 8s, I assumed you entered at the intersection of the two circles, first doing a complete circle toeside, crossing the entrance line, then doing a complete circle heelside, and exiting the figure roughly in a straight line from where you started (or vice versa on the toeside/heelside order).
post #41 of 51
AHA! Now i get it-
to me, a figure eight IS a complete 360, then another in the other direction.
THAT'S why i was saying it's very difficult, in that you use up much of your force on the first one,
then
you actually have to change dirfection and do the second one.
I typically start heelside, execute a 360, then lay over to toe and do the second one.
Big Difference- now I see from whence came the confusion.
Master of all things thrilling:
try it as a full, dedicated heelside 360, then transition into a full toeside 360...THAT'S why i was saying it's tough to execute.
I was shocked that you pulled one off in pennsyltucky, as I, at least, need a big area to do 'em...
I ride a very restricted style, however, due to the ski racing boot-style that was beaten into my melon in my earlier, more tender years...
post #42 of 51

circle, cirlce, round, and round then in we go....

Alright I've been spending a few moments of my time riding this concept out. Have concluded a few things;

It's is possible to carve a dough-nut. I'm able to succesfully complete a circle. But the challenge I find is doing a 720? Looking back in this post at the two different diagrams..got me thinking. I'm much more inclined to say that a 720 is possible buy trying the figure eight method. Trying to carve on complete circle then to another to me has been a challenge for sure. After looking back at the diagram on this site of the figure "8" diagram..I'm headed back to the mountain to give it another try.

Keep you folks posted...

Jonah D.
post #43 of 51
jonah- YOU can definitely do it with ease-
trouble is, the amount of velo you need going into it requires a good steep run-in, and the area in which to execute it needs be really huge.
I couldn't do it one at the place we worked together- and the first circle needs to be really big if only to accomodate the high speed-
BIG first circle, small second one, and still really, really tough to do.
I know you can do one with ease, though, it's more terrain determinant for any of us.
I am blown away that phillsthrills pulled one off- that's gotta be some beautiful terrain where he rides.
four out of five times when I try them, I can't make the second circle by even 2/3rds....and when I still have anough speed to complete it, I often sketch it and lose it anyway.
Last one I ever pulled off was at scuol, CH.
don't know many places on the east coast where i could do one....
trail width alone, esp. where there's a stepped grade between circles, becomes an issue....
post #44 of 51
if I can do one , jonah, YOU can, with ease:
post #45 of 51

cER-KEL?

I hear what your saying...a larger circle to start with speed being the key factor, also one thing I have noticed is the attention one must pay to not tipping the board too much to the inside of the turn. Buy doing so many times I've found this... either totally bleeds my momentum OR brings my center of mass to the ground.I think there may possibly e a few OK pieces of terrain to give his a try first thing in the morning. As I mentioned before this is a work in progress with me for sure. Maybe when you head out here to the Ice-coast again Vlad... we can make some turns.

I like cold beverages..uh huh!
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Jonah D.

The croisandwich beat the stuffin out of egg-mcmuffin 2 to 1....
post #46 of 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by philsthrills
Michael and the rest of you - I apologize for the off topic rant.

Back on topic. I had one free run today - the rest was clinics, lessons, and supervising. On that free run I had the opportunity to do a figure 8 on my SL board. Like I said, I had already done them on my skis, and I had also done a 720 on my skis. Unfortunately, one run did not allow for the 720 attempt on a board.

B2 - I have posted a really poor diagram of how I do it. Sorry, I am not a whiz at that kind of stuff. I am goofy, so I start on toeside. Today I was on my F2 SL 166. I have not gone over 540 on softies. Mike S. (eastern examiner) says that he has done 7's on softies. In hardboots, I like heelside, but I think (and have been told) that people tend to prefer toeside.

My slalom skis rip this stuff very easily. My SL board does well too. My GS board is still my favorite for rolling single circles, though. On softies I tend to only try singles.

As far as video and pics, I hope to get that at MAC tracks. We have a guy just to run the camera. Keep your fingers crossed about the conditions that day. Today they were perfect.
i'm looking fwd. to that video. gotta be some nice terrain at that place
post #47 of 51
I wanted to get back to this. The conditions were not conducive to fast carving at MAC tracks. They were great conditions - just slow.

The circle carve was pretty uneventful compared to what I had hoped - but it was not because of the riders so much as it was the conditions.

None of the basic carvers got the circle around, but some got close. The advanced carvers got the circle, but could not go much further.

I had been practicing the "8" during our thaw, but we got cold weather in time to make snow for the event. I did not have anything prepared for the conditions, so I attempted a switch circle. I had the poor judgement to do it on heelside, though - toeside would have been easier. Long story short - I blew out. Oh, well - next year.

As far as video - I will do my best to get that as soon as conditions permit. The weather has stayed cold enough here that they have been making snow almost every night.

To be continued....
post #48 of 51
[quote=philsthrills]

None of the basic carvers got the circle around, but some got close. The advanced carvers got the circle, but could not go much further.

I had been practicing the "8" during our thaw, but we got cold weather in time to make snow for the event.quote]

and, phil- i want you to be assured that there's NO sarcasm intended when I say that I'd be impressed by any fig 8 performed in the east. stratton's the only place i've ver doen one in the east, and even then, it was cheesy and took a few attempts.
8s are a very, very difficult move. again, i mean two separate circles in two directions. (clockwise/counterclockwise, connected)
very difficult stuff, i haven't done one in about 4 years.

no need to provide video, pics, etc. if you pull 'em off, i'll take your word for it. wasn't a challenge, but merely true props.
tough move.
very tough move.
post #49 of 51
Well, I showed you how I was doing them in the diagram above.

B2 had requested the video as well. I think that it would be great to have a video of it - so I am going to try to get some. When I do, I will share it.
post #50 of 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by philsthrills
Well, I showed you how I was doing them in the diagram above.

B2 had requested the video as well. I think that it would be great to have a video of it - so I am going to try to get some. When I do, I will share it.
dude-
at ease.
as i said, i never doubted you.
i'm impressed, with no sarcasm.]
donut on, phil
post #51 of 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by vlad
8s are a very, very difficult move. again, i mean two separate circles in two directions. (clockwise/counterclockwise, connected)
That is what I was responding to with this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by philsthrills
Well, I showed you how I was doing them in the diagram above.
I was simply saying that I do them differently. I am not up in arms at all. I am not arguing. I took your reply this morning as totally amiable. No problem. All is well.

The other part:

Quote:
Originally Posted by philsthrills
B2 had requested the video as well. I think that it would be great to have a video of it - so I am going to try to get some. When I do, I will share it.
Was just to say that I am still working on it for B2, for you, for anyone else who is interested.

Vlad,
I apologized a while back for my rant. It is dead. I also said that I had never flamed anyone online. Until that time, that was the case. I really was not happy with myself for doing it either. It is not my style. From here on out, please try to see my posts in a different light. Please don't assume that I am offended.

In actuality, I appreciated your response this morning. I also appreciated your 200 hiccup post response in the other thread.

All is well.
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