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dynastar intuitiv 74 edge angles and waxing ?

post #1 of 5
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I just ordered a pair of 74's from Jay.(Great Shop!)
I like to tune them myself does anybody know what the edge and base angles are?

Any waxing tips for the new skis?
How many coats?
How long between coats?
Brushing?
What type of wax?

Or anything else!

Thanks for your help!

CJINC

[ September 30, 2003, 06:55 PM: Message edited by: cjinc ]
post #2 of 5
I'm not positive about the Intuitiv, but if it's like the rest of the Dynastar line, they are flat with a 90 degree edge. The tricky part is that the base edge is recessed from the base by .4 mil. It's an amazing tune, right out of the box, but a beeotch to maintain, and the machines at the shops can't do it either. I would suggest not touching the edges until after you have skied them, then just maintain it by using a diamond stone on the side edge. If you need to clean the base edge, also just use a diamond stone and try to place it only on the edge (not on the base). If you can't do that, you may want to put on a minimal (.5 degree) base bevel, just so that the file or stone hits the edge. Personally, I ski mine as flat as I can possibly make them by hand (usuallu ends up at about .5 degrees) and put a 2 degree sidewall bevel on them to make them razor blades. As for the rest of your questions, a lot of it is personal preference, but I hot wax only, and after every 2-3 days, depending on the conditions - the harder the snow, the more frequently I wax them - when the snow is soft, like you get up at Jay a lot, you could ski them for a week and still be able to scrape wax off with yout fingernail. The softer the conditions, the more I scrape after waxing, because really hard snow will scrape the wax off for you anyhow. So I just don't spend the time scraping if the snow is firm (maybe just one or two passes with the scraper). Don't bother brushing/polishing unless you're trying to take 1/1000 sec. off your time in the gates. I know you're not doing that because you're on intuitivs and you had to ask. I only use all purpose wax. The idea is to protect and condition the base. You're not going for time in the gates, and as long as they are waxed, they slide. One caveat to that, is that you're at Jay. It can get damn cold up there. When it gets REALLY cold (double digits below zero), use a wax made specifically for those temps. When it gets that cold, the snow crystals get so hard and sharp, even in soft snow, that the skis don't slide well, if at all. Sometimes it's like being on sand.
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Originally posted by JohnH:
I'm not positive about the Intuitiv, but if it's like the rest of the Dynastar line, they are flat with a 90 degree edge. The tricky part is that the base edge is recessed from the base by .4 mil. It's an amazing tune, right out of the box, but a beeotch to maintain, and the machines at the shops can't do it either. I would suggest not touching the edges until after you have skied them, then just maintain it by using a diamond stone on the side edge. If you need to clean the base edge, also just use a diamond stone and try to place it only on the edge (not on the base). If you can't do that, you may want to put on a minimal (.5 degree) base bevel, just so that the file or stone hits the edge. Personally, I ski mine as flat as I can possibly make them by hand (usuallu ends up at about .5 degrees) and put a 2 degree sidewall bevel on them to make them razor blades. As for the rest of your questions, a lot of it is personal preference, but I hot wax only, and after every 2-3 days, depending on the conditions - the harder the snow, the more frequently I wax them - when the snow is soft, like you get up at Jay a lot, you could ski them for a week and still be able to scrape wax off with yout fingernail. The softer the conditions, the more I scrape after waxing, because really hard snow will scrape the wax off for you anyhow. So I just don't spend the time scraping if the snow is firm (maybe just one or two passes with the scraper). Don't bother brushing/polishing unless

you're trying to take 1/1000 sec. off your time in the gates. I know you're not doing that because you're on intuitivs and you had to ask. I only use all purpose wax. The idea is to protect and condition the base. You're not going for time in the gates, and as long as they are waxed, they slide. One caveat to that, is that you're at Jay. It can get damn cold up there. When it gets REALLY cold (double digits below zero), use a wax made specifically for those temps. When it gets that cold, the snow crystals get so hard and sharp, even in soft snow, that the skis don't slide well, if at all. Sometimes it's like being on sand.
Thanks for your Help!

Cjinc

[ October 02, 2003, 06:29 PM: Message edited by: cjinc ]
post #4 of 5
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Quote:
Originally posted by JohnH:
I'm not positive about the Intuitiv, but if it's like the rest of the Dynastar line, they are flat with a 90 degree edge. The tricky part is that the base edge is recessed from the base by .4 mil. It's an amazing tune, right out of the box, but a beeotch to maintain, and the machines at the shops can't do it either. I would suggest not touching the edges until after you have skied them, then just maintain it by using a diamond stone on the side edge. If you need to clean the base edge, also just use a diamond stone and try to place it only on the edge (not on the base). If you can't do that, you may want to put on a minimal (.5 degree) base bevel, just so that the file or stone hits the edge. Personally, I ski mine as flat as I can possibly make them by hand (usuallu ends up at about .5 degrees) and put a 2 degree sidewall bevel on them to make them razor blades. As for the rest of your questions, a lot of it is personal preference, but I hot wax only, and after every 2-3 days, depending on the conditions - the harder the snow, the more frequently I wax them - when the snow is soft, like you get up at Jay a lot, you could ski them for a week and still be able to scrape wax off with yout fingernail. The softer the conditions, the more I scrape after waxing, because really hard snow will scrape the wax off for you anyhow. So I just don't spend the time scraping if the snow is firm (maybe just one or two passes with the scraper). Don't bother brushing/polishing unless you're trying to take 1/1000 sec. off your time in the gates. I know you're not doing that because you're on intuitivs and you had to ask. I only use all purpose wax. The idea is to protect and condition the base. You're not going for time in the gates, and as long as they are waxed, they slide. One caveat to that, is that you're at Jay. It can get damn cold up there. When it gets REALLY cold (double digits below zero), use a wax made specifically for those temps. When it gets that cold, the snow crystals get so hard and sharp, even in soft snow, that the skis don't slide well, if at all. Sometimes it's like being on sand.
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Originally posted by cjinc:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JohnH:
I'm not positive about the Intuitiv, but if it's like the rest of the Dynastar line, they are flat with a 90 degree edge. The tricky part is that the base edge is recessed from the base by .4 mil. It's an amazing tune, right out of the box, but a beeotch to maintain, and the machines at the shops can't do it either. I would suggest not touching the edges until after you have skied them, then just maintain it by using a diamond stone on the side edge. If you need to clean the base edge, also just use a diamond stone and try to place it only on the edge (not on the base). If you can't do that, you may want to put on a minimal (.5 degree) base bevel, just so that the file or stone hits the edge. Personally, I ski mine as flat as I can possibly make them by hand (usuallu ends up at about .5 degrees) and put a 2 degree sidewall bevel on them to make them razor blades. As for the rest of your questions, a lot of it is personal preference, but I hot wax only, and after every 2-3 days, depending on the conditions - the harder the snow, the more frequently I wax them - when the snow is soft, like you get up at Jay a lot, you could ski them for a week and still be able to scrape wax off with yout fingernail. The softer the conditions, the more I scrape after waxing, because really hard snow will scrape the wax off for you anyhow. So I just don't spend the time scraping if the snow is firm (maybe just one or two passes with the scraper). Don't bother brushing/polishing unless you're trying to take 1/1000 sec. off your time in the gates. I know you're not doing that because you're on intuitivs and you had to ask. I only use all purpose wax. The idea is to protect and condition the base. You're not going for time in the gates, and as long as they are waxed, they slide. One caveat to that, is that you're at Jay. It can get damn cold up there. When it gets REALLY cold (double digits below zero), use a wax made specifically for those temps. When it gets that cold, the snow crystals get so hard and sharp, even in soft snow, that the skis don't slide well, if at all. Sometimes it's like being on sand.
</font>[/quote]Dynastar generally reccomends that you use a 1degree base and 2 degree side.

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