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post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 
Tried my best with photoshop, obviously not like the pro's but here a few turns from today, analyze, tear me to bits yadda yadda....I think I have to work on lessening my tip lead....
i'm on dynastar SL's (omeglass 64) so these are semi-slalom turns

ground was pretty slushy

Top sequence of steep"er" section

1 turn further downhill (my tracks are the clearest ones on the top left part of the picture)
post #2 of 9

You certainly get props for busting your ass on the photos. It's a twist to try to guess what's going on in between the stills, but here goes.

Good things!
Good stance width. Some fairly high edge angles. Weight mostly centered. Good shape to your turns. Some really good angulation.

Things to work on...
The tip lead does get a bit excessive. If you focus on moving your outside and hip, hand and shoulder forward through the turn (or pulling your inside back), you might find it more effective than than trying to change things at the feet.

All 3 photos show you in a vertical position in between turns. I'll bet in full motion this looks like a "pop" up. If this is the case, you are initiating your turns with an up move instead of moving the hips diagonally forward and across the skis. Alas, many of us work for years to develop this move. Try finishing your turns more up the hill and leading with the inside hip earlier in the turn.
post #3 of 9
Great photos!

Like therusty points out, the most obvious thing to me is the cross-over transition. In addition to moving your hips diagonally and forward, try to move them down as well.

Try and get your legs as flexed as possible as you move through transition. There will reach a point where flexing any further puts you in the backseat. Try being very aggressive with this until you can clearly distinguish between extending to cross over the skis versus flexing to cross under.

There is a pretty good chance, if you are really pushing your comfort zone with this, that you will cross too laterally and wind up over balanced on the inside ski and fall into the turn. If you haven't ever reached that point, you can be more aggressive with the movement.
post #4 of 9
I was guessing "pop" too as I looked at the figure photos. I can't tell which tracks are yours in the top pix and I can't see the tracks under the skier there either. The second turn of the top pix and the middle of the lower one look like you get a little inside ski divergence. That happens often with a quick or strong extension on the new outside ski for initiation. If you can tone it into a rise rather than a pop and if you can make it with both legs, it gets better. Even better would be to only open the ankle joints and not the knee joints too.
post #5 of 9
makwendo99, what I am seeing is primarily edging movements that are initiated from the hip combined with not enough flexion and extension. The result is somewhat stagnant pressure control and a popping up or rising at turn transition due to the edging movements being at the hip (the legs are stagnant and the hip/torso angle opens and closes up to release and inititate turns).

The fix can be frustrating. You need to take apart your skiing and learn to initiate your edging from the feet and not the hips. This means replacing the hip movements with flexing the ankles and tipping the inside ski towards the little toe edge. To do that you need to do exercises that shut down the hip movements and allow the foot/ankle movements to happen.

You need to work on the turn finish so you can learn to be in a good position to initiate from the feet. Start with traverses so you can get the feeling of flex and tip. Then gradually take that to a straight run down the fall line on flat skis then flex and tip to edge the skis. Take this to running back uphill as far as you can without falling into the back seat. Follow this by skiing back uphill and trying to ski into a new turn by going over the top and tipping to the little toe edge.

There are other excellent exercises as well. You can even go the PMTS route with the Phantom move. In any case it takes time and commitment to make these kinds of changes. A drastic change in movement patterns does not happen overnight.

I would highly recommend a mentor to make sure you are practicing the right movement patterns.
post #6 of 9
what Pierre described is what Yoda and the ESA coaches (weems & arcmeister) have been helping me do for 5 seasons. it takes a long time, but it definitely is worth it, especially when you get into difficult conditions (variable snow, steeper terrain).
post #7 of 9
I agree with the "pop". It's definitely an up-and-over transition move. You should try not to think about extending the start a turn, but rather just move your CM "through" neutral (flat skis). It'll feel like a lower stance as you move through the transition. Just try to make sure you don't sit back. You need to flex at the ankles/knees as opposed to knees/hips. This will provide much more ski/snow pressure at the top of the turn, allowing for more control early in the turn.

The other issue that Rusty mentioned was tip lead. I see it too, except that I see it as a result. Tip lead comes from hip lead. And in your case it looks like the hip lead is a result of over-countering the shoulders, or a general tendency to over counter which is evident in all of your sequences. Since your hands and shoulders are more countered than your hips, my guess is it's starting up top. Let your torso follow the direction your skis are going. Better yet, think of it this way.... Your hips and shoulders should be lined up and your CM should be leading your skis. Therefore, point your CM (belly button) where you want the skis to go. The less you skid, the less you should counter. Pure carves require very little counter (only enough to allow your anatomy to make angles to get the skis up on a higher edge)
post #8 of 9
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys for the suggestions.....I just got to read the replies but.....coincidently....we had a lul in lessons and a L3 decided to take a few of us on a clinic....guess what he picked out right away....

-Not enough flexing
-Tip lead

Here's how it got started....

He got us to leave our poles in the locker room and pick up a small rubber ball (10" or so). Holding the ball in front of us with both hands we moved the ball over the ski about halfway between the binding toepiece and ski tip...ball over left ski to turn left and vice versa. This movement immediately forced me to get the CM moving in the desired pattern albeit not every turn but a good majority. Now, he gave me the ball he was holding..which...went I hadn't noticed but was a 10lb medicine ball. And told me to repeat the same pattern. This immediately brought out any wrong movements right away because the extra mass...if it was in the wrong place caused a truly bad turn. That was CM/Hip movement correction

Also we worked on pulling up on the inside leg....this here was one of the things i felt a difference right away. It forced me to flex the (new) inside ankle and bring my body closer to the ground in the correct way (no hip drop) and removed the tip lead.

Thirdly, we worked on angulation by opening the femur and hence upper body separation (keeping the zipper on my jacket perpendicular to the ground at all times).

I realize these patterns take people many seasons to perfect but now I have some sort reference as to what I should be doing as opposed to what I thought I was doing....till then I'll keep working.

If there's any other nifty games/ drills you have students do throw them at me!!
post #9 of 9

Nice turns

A lot more going right then wrong. Some has already been mentioned ie the tip lead. The biggest thing that jumped out at me was the elbows are almost even with or behind the torso. This can cause the spine to straighten out and create tension in the shoulders and back. I would ski with no poles then ski holding a pole in front of you focus on the elbows being infront of the ribs. This will round your back a little give you a more balance stance and free up your core to balance and add stability. THis also may help the "pop" up mentioned by rusty inbetween the turns.

I think a relaxed upper body will give you a more solid core and allow the legs to work more freely to control turn shaping and manage pressure.

Good luck and good skiing!
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