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post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
I am looking for an all mountain/carving ski for me. I have a pair of 1080's that are really nice for park, but I cant seem to carve with them, I am not blaming the skis but compared to some really shaped rossignol skis i rented last month, they are really hard to carve. I was able to actually somewhat carve on the rossignol skis, but when I am on the 1080's I seem to do more sliding/carving turns, I have gotten better, but it still annoys me. The thing I didnt like about the rental skis, is that they bounced around a lot at speed, which the 1080's dont do much for me at all. I ski only the Northeast , mainly groomers and glades and park. Im not sure what level I am, I can ski any black diamonds but after reading through old threads I have learned that it takes much more to be a good/advanced skier. I am 15 years old, 5 foot six inches tall, and 110-115lbs. I am looking for a ski to have along with my 1080s for carving purposes. Preferably CHEAP, for all my money is in my mountain bike fund, and I dont want to take a lot out. So i need ideas on some older models I could pick up used. Anyone have any ideas?
thanks
post #2 of 25
Solomon Equipe 10 SC
post #3 of 25
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost
Solomon Equipe 10 SC
It looks nice but also expensive. I need something cheaper, but thanks for the reply.
post #4 of 25
I have some Volant Platinums in a 170 w/ Salomon S900's. They have about 10 days on them. 200 and you can pick them up at Kton.
post #5 of 25
Save your money and take a lesson or two. You don't have the skills needed to carve. The fastest why to get the skills is take lessons. The 1080 will carve a turn, if you know what your doing.

Please take a few lessons.
post #6 of 25
I really dont mean to be a dick or anything but this kid is wicked fast and is pretty good and carving in my opinion is really not hard at all so heel do just fine.....DONT LET EM GET U DOWN EVAN!
post #7 of 25
Thread Starter 
Pat dont stand up for me, I must fight my own battles. Even though there was no battle to fight. I dont beleive i really need lessons, but then again what do I know. : I progress evertime go out so hopefully I can get the hang of it (carving). Oh and to Phil, 170's might be a bit big for me.
post #8 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kowalski
It looks nice but also expensive. I need something cheaper, but thanks for the reply.
and worth it; it's the most effortless carve-happiest ski I've ever been on. Maybe you can get one on sale as a leftover somewhere where they rag on Solomons.
post #9 of 25
Kowalski,
I've only skied the 1080 a little a few years ago but was impressed by its versatility. It is certainly capable of carving though not nearly as well as other skis.
However...What are you're edges like? Yah know those rails really do a number on edges and that makes it hard to carve on hard eastern snow. Also are the bottoms flat? If they're very convex (where the middle is higher than the edges) than it can sometimes be "unskiable".

I suggest you take your skis to a really good shop that knows the difference between a 1/2 and 1 degree base bevel (sadly many,many in the east don't).
Or, if you've got a friend who's a racer and tunes their own skis have them take a look at them.

You might want to have one pair for the park and one pair for general skiing.
post #10 of 25
Quote:
Pat dont stand up for me, I must fight my own battles. Even though there was no battle to fight. I dont beleive i really need lessons, but then again what do I know. : I progress evertime go out so hopefully I can get the hang of it (carving).
If you are asking yourself if you need lessons, you need them. Everyone should take a few lessons from time to time, wether it be from instructors, coaches or just fellow (who are knowledgeable about skiing).
post #11 of 25

1080's

[quote=Max Capacity]The 1080 will carve a turn, if you know what your doing.quote]

My kid ski's 1080's - he can rail em all day if he wants....but he likes to ski em backwards even more ....like me, he's an ex instructor (he's retired from it for now at 22) so he's had plenty of lessons......he complained about the lessons/ psia instructor/ski school training every minute but he is a better skier because of it:

I also made him watch Lito Tejada-Flores old school "breakthrough on skis" video (www.breakthroughonskis.com) over and over - not all kids are visual learners, but this one was...he followed me for years and copied every move I made. He now makes em better.....

Maybe you are a visual learner too...check out these www.amsao.it click on "video lezioni" and look at the "oro" stuff....careful it's in Italian...but the video images aren't.....

as for ski Volkl 4star in a 156 might work...but the 1080's are a nice ski too...
post #12 of 25
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffr
or just fellow (who are knowledgeable about skiing).
Well my budd rossifreerider has taken lessons in the past, and is willing to give me some help on carving for he also has some very flexy rossignol scratch pro twin tips.
post #13 of 25
There should be no problem carving a 1080. In fact, the noodly flex of the things should be great for beginners (which is what you and RossiFreerider are, whether you can wedge down a black diamond or not) looking to start carving. Do the smart thing- take lessons and work on your form a little bit on some greens and easier blues. For what its worth, most people will agree that its better to look great on a blue than to look like a complete JONG on a black.
post #14 of 25
Better to look great on a blue than to look like a complete Jong on a black? What a putz...

This is coming from a so called instructor...if you do choose to take lessons avoid spineless idiots like this guy? Your honesty and humility about your skills and equipment are the tools you need to get to where you want to go. Losers like this are only concerned with making themselves feel better at your expense.

Remember, those that can, do, those that can't teach...
post #15 of 25
Thread Starter 
Takecontrol how would you know what level I am, or Rossifreerider's level? You have never actually seen us ski. I only gave a brief description of myself, and rossifreerider has taken lessons, and never said anything about his skill level or even what skis he has. I seriously doubt that you can judge our skill level from what we have said. I would deffinately not consider myself a begginer. I can ski with confidence, I was just seeking advice on how I could carve better with the 1080's. I can carve on other skis, so I am sure that I can get the handle of the 1080s. I have only been on them twice now. I am deffinately with tja11 on this one. Thanks for not agreeing with takecontrol.
post #16 of 25
You guys got good advice from people- take lessons. What did you do? "Nope, I don't think I need lessons. If I do, my retard friend who can't bother to type out "you" will teach me."

Sure. Do whatever you want. But why post questions on a forum if you aren't going take the advice that gets offered by qualified individuals?
post #17 of 25
Kowalski

The problem is that some people (not all) here don't have time for teenagers asking questions on "their" forum.

I've picked up a lot of good advice hear,from some very helpful people.

Be patient, and be specific about what your needs are, but make sure to do some searching first. There's plenty of good stuff here about carving skis, if you do a search first.

Takecontrol618
You need to take the name-calling crap to the other forum. Not only is name-calling not welcome, but retard is in bad taste.
Do you have anyone with special needs in your family. Get a life.
By the way, the young man asked for advice on a carving ski, not your allmighty F@$%#ng opinion on wether he should take lessons.
post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by rayl1964
Kowalski

The problem is that some people (not all) here don't have time for teenagers asking questions on "their" forum.

I've picked up a lot of good advice hear,from some very helpful people.

Be patient, and be specific about what your needs are, but make sure to do some searching first. There's plenty of good stuff here about carving skis, if you do a search first.

Takecontrol618
You need to take the name-calling crap to the other forum. Not only is name-calling not welcome, but retard is in bad taste.
Do you have anyone with special needs in your family. Get a life.
By the way, the young man asked for advice on a carving ski, not your allmighty F@$%#ng opinion on wether he should take lessons.
Gee I gotta agree with Ray on this one. This is the epicski forum. Not the epicski instructors forum. I wish my teenagers had the guts to join a ski forum and participate....I see these fellows joining the forum as a good thing. Take a look at those Italian instructor videos I offered up Kowalski. If you're a visual learner there's about $10K worth of lessons there. I just got my first super short carvers. Those videos are working for me. Trust me my young friend, I am done with lessons....took and taught way too many. I'm out with giving and taking lessons. The videos are gold.

Enjoy the 1080's... great ski. Don't forget to ski em backwards to make all the old timers nervous

Don't wanna do ski school? Just stay safe and keep grinning...it is all good. Couple of years maybe you'll change your mind and sign up for the Gunstock Instructor Training School (highly recommended) If not whatever....

Welcome to epicski...stay a while.

BTW my kid has done tuckermans on the 1080's....that can be a serious ski...just make sure they are flat, tuned and sharp and you want to ski em a little longer than other ski's. My kid has about 5 pair of ski's...he pulls those out more than any other.....it's not just the backwards thing with the twin tips...he flat out loves em....
post #19 of 25
"why post questions on a forum if you aren't going take the advice that gets offered by qualified individuals?"

Advice? Qualified individuals? Surely you jest...

Actually, Tog probably hit the nail on the head. Check the base/edges of your skis, bet they are pretty worked. Additionally, I didn't catch the size of you skis, but you are clearly still growing (still small/light), it is possible you are not really leveraging your skis, which combined with poor tuning would cause your skis to skid more then bite.

Suggest looking on ebay, craigslist etc. for a pair of decent used (appropriate size/flex for your size) shaped skis for tearing up the groomers. I have found all sorts of screaming deals this way.

Oh and contrary to my smart ass comments to fakecontrol, lessons never hurt.

Good luck!
post #20 of 25
Just wanted to chime in again in order to clear some misconceptions you guys seem to share:
1) Shaped skis carve. All of them. Period. You literally can't buy your turns: changing equipment may enable you to do some things you couldn't before, but the basic abilities must've been there from the start. So this leaves us with two options:
a) You cannot make them carve (at least not all the time)
b) The tune of the skis is so bad, they cannot carve

I'd say it probably is a mix of both of these reasons. 5 years on skis, without instruction, is not a lot, but since you seem dicated enough to post on a message board, this bodes well for you and your desire to improve. Take a lesson (I did not say 10) with a good instructor and have him work with you on the basics, than practice, practice, practice. I guarantee this will work wonders for your skiing. And get these damn skis in the shop for a tune-up, carving on dull edges and messed up bases is no fun
post #21 of 25
Sorry for being an *******. I was reminded of how out of shape I am at our first sl practice of the season and it left me in a terrible mood.

I'm sticking by my advice though- take lessons. Not from your friend, from an instructor. Or use the amazing resources available to you on the internet concerning instructing.

Of course a 1080 isnt the greatest ski for carving on hardpack- but it is reasonably capable on all but the hardest ice. I've skied ever single generation of it from the oldest orange and black ones to this year's 1080 Foil, and didnt find it to be a ski I enjoyed, but it could be bent into any turn shape and held on most surfaces if you skied it with a light touch.

If you really just want cheap ski recommendations though, I'd suggest the Atomic C 8:18 and 9:18 from 3 or 4 years ago. It can be had for super cheap, was very popular, and comes flat so that you can use any binding you'd like on it.


PS- Can you at least get Rossifreerider to write in english?
post #22 of 25
Wow, my opinions of you were wrong. Nice post, thanks for helping the kid out.

Sorry for the blast, just felt bad for the guy.

Happy New Year!
post #23 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Takecontrol618
There should be no problem carving a 1080. In fact, the noodly flex of the things should be great for beginners (which is what you and RossiFreerider are, whether you can wedge down a black diamond or not) looking to start carving. Do the smart thing- take lessons and work on your form a little bit on some greens and easier blues. For what its worth, most people will agree that its better to look great on a blue than to look like a complete JONG on a black.
I dont think you know what ur talking about. As Kowalski mentioned. HOW THE HECK WOULD U KNOW WHAT KIND OF SKILL HE HAS. and in my opinion Kowalski and Rossi are actually pretty good skiers. I dont mean to "fight ur battles" evan but I just have to express my opinion. If ur gonna call ANYONE a beginner, its gonna be ME. Ok im done.
post #24 of 25
CRAP I DIDNT SEE TAKECONTROLS LAST POST!!! Sry 'bout that.
post #25 of 25
Now there's another one? Im going to be counting to 10 even more now before posting than I did before


Maybe I just need something to take the edge off, Bode style.
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