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post #1 of 12
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What is better - swiss Montana or austrian Wintersteiger ?

I read an article (in CZ ski magazine) that there is a difference and Montana is more sensitive and delicate to skis, simply that is better.

Is it possible to said that generally one of them is better ?
Is Montana technology really a step ahead of Wintersteiger ?

What is your opinion / experiences ?

P.S. If there was a talking about it, sorry, I didn't found anything ...
post #2 of 12
Hey - no answer to your question but a quick bump to your thread because I'm also interested in knowing the difference. I need to bring my skis in for its first full tune-up... what I do know is Montana will cost me $30 done at the local ski hill and Wintersteiger will cost me $46 (CDN $).
post #3 of 12
I ahve a Montana and I am happy with the work it puts out.
post #4 of 12
I'm not sure either but I just had three pair of skis done on a new Wintersteiger ceramic disc finishing machine and wow they turned out nice. Very precise 1 X 2, razor sharp and they ski great.

I haven't seen the new Montana machines, but it seems like most high end ski shops now use Wintersteiger. I think years ago Montana was more popular.

Edit: I know there are several levels of machines. Does your shop have a 10 year old Montana or a brand new top O line Wintersteiger with all the bells and whistles? Prices for tune ups depend a lot on what equipment they are using.
post #5 of 12
If you take the tech/operator out of the question there is no doubt the best machine is the CAS Snowell. However the Wintersteiger Sigma is almots universally used in prepping World Cup race skis and that always is the ultimate test. Montana is a fine machine but not in Sigma class...yet
post #6 of 12
Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
I ahve a Montana and I am happy with the work it puts out.
Phil - you have your own stone grinder? Really? Tell us more - where did you pick it up and for how much (may I ask)?
post #7 of 12
I've got disillusioned with both contraptions, and pay a bloke to do hand tunes. if the operators of any machine get lazy or don't keep an eye on it, it can chew your skis (or edges) to bits. I'm sick of mediocre tunes. I go to the local hand tune artists. There's still a few of them about.
post #8 of 12
Originally Posted by Noodler
Phil - you have your own stone grinder? Really? Tell us more - where did you pick it up and for how much (may I ask)?
yeah, we do. A Montana GM-U. It is the second one we have had, an old Mohn was the first. We got it on Ebay a few years back.
post #9 of 12
Wintersteiger seems to have come on strong in recent seasons. However, the person operating the machine and its servicing frequency likely count a lot more.
post #10 of 12
With the same tech equally versed in both machines, I'd have to go with Wintersteiger, particularly for edge finishing (Trim machines) although the new Sigma machines are a step beyond Montana as well. Lostboy is right that the person operating and servicing it is key.

As to what ant says, I can feel for that. I don't want anyone tuning my skis but me. No "hand tunes" from anyone else, thanks. When I finish my own skis, I usually do the bulk of edge work with a Wintersteiger Trim machine, because like it or not it is faster, more consistent, and longer lasting than almost any reasonable "hand tune", unless you want to pay someone 100 bucks or more for a really thorough "hand tune".

Importantly, even when I (rarely now) tune customers skis, the tip and tail always get a good bit of hand work. Whether or not they are concave is generally unimportant, but the bevel and finish of the skis near the contact point will make or break any tune.

PS- It is also important to note that any good "hand tune" starts with machine work. There is no such thing as a good 100% "hand" tune, unless you really loved the 1970's ski finishing scene.
post #11 of 12
The bloke here who does my skis doesn't have a machine in his shop, just some powertools. The local racing fraternity beat a path to his door, and he fixed the apalling mess the main shop made of my skis last year (and then the pathetic "hand" tune they did to "fix" the mess). Nice, sharp, true edges, and a flat base. The skis felt good again. Likewise the Stockli shop in Australia, they have some kind of weird little machine, not one of those giant monsters, and their tunes are lovely.
post #12 of 12
Our store bought a new Montana grinder last year, and it produces the finest grinds I have ever seen. I have seen some skis I thought were gone look new again. It also helps that our tech is incredibly good at what he does.
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