Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat
No, and I'm not a PSIA skier, and neither is Rocca (I believe he, like me, learned to ski in Europe, where we don't have the PSIA).
But, from reading what HH says, the whole point of PMTS is that you teach WC racing techniques to beginners, and there is no "unlearning", as he sees it, involved. Therefore for Rocca to be held up as a prime example of PMTS skiing, surely he should be demonstrating the "primary moves", which he clearly isn't.
That is a good point. I have found that PMTS does use some things, like lifting the foot and moving it towards the stance boot, that are exaggerated to teach certain other principles, like balancing on the outside ski. Some of these movements require adaptation to integrate into higher level skiing well, so while I wouldn't exactly call it unlearning, it does certainly require redefinition.
I've gone through that in my own skiing as I have tried to get rid of the habit of lifting the foot off the snow. I agree with that criticism, and in that sense I don't think PMTS can live up to its claim completely.
I think Rocca is clearly demonstrating the principles behind those movements, although in a more refined form. So we disagree on that point.
I'm not looking at active rotary in the context of all WC racing. A WC racer is going to do whatever he has to do to get down the hill the fastest. If that involves spinning on his head to do so, it will get done. For example, the rotary movements involved in the "stivot" move are seemingly clear. The skis are intentionally twisted out of their direction of motion to reengage in a more direct line. Rocca might have very well done it in the next turn, I'm sure its not missing from his bag of skills. I just don't see a huge redirection motion in that clip that would be an example of that sort of move.
Like I said before, I think the direction change Rocca demonstrates in that clip is a function of the tipping of his feet recruiting the muscles in his legs to move into the new turn, his center moving aggressively forward into the turn, and his feet unwinding to meet the orientation of his his upper body. His skis land precisely in line with the orientation his upper body had held throughout almost the entire clip.
That clip, to me, is an example of how powerful an aggressive release at the legs can be (which is exactly what Heluva could incorporate into his own skiing for a powerful cross under transition).
TomB and BigE, I have no doubt plenty more to learn, but the implication that I am unable to form a critical thought which isn't parroted and must be brain washed because I disagree is demeaning to the candor of this board as well as a personal insult. If you want to disagree with me, by all means, as I'm sure I can learn something new from the discussion. If you just want to patronize me, please save me the time.