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post #31 of 37
Disski: I posted that statement too fast ("edges too sharp"). It was actually that a shop put what they called "a racing tune" on my ski without asking me. They changed the bevel angle and it made the skis uncontrollable. This pissed me off, cuz here I was in Utah on a little vacation and I could not get the most out of Alta's snow. I went back to the shop (Truckee, California) and they told me what they did. What, did they think they were doing me a favor? I told them to put it back the way it was; the ski had served me quite well for 9 seasons and I did not want the bevel angle changed. They did.

Another shop reluctantly admitted, after I got the owner/manager to the counter, that their tuning machine had screwed up the bases of about 30 or 40 skis. They had fixed the problem, but I couldn't ski the ski up at Kirkwood. Did they offer to re-tune the ski? Yes, of course. Did they offer to refund the cost of the wasted lift ticket? No, of course not. It's not like you ski one run and give up and go in and spend $45 on performance rental skis.
post #32 of 37
ah - changed edge angles makes much more sense.....
post #33 of 37

I would suggest getting a recommendation on a shop that can do good ski tuning from someone you trust to make that recommendation.

Ask them if they can make sure the bases are flat and set the skis to one degree base and two degree side bevels. Request that they DO NOT detune the skis. When you receive the skis back from the shop they should be able to shave off a bit of your fingernail if you drag your nail up it and they should be smooth along the whole length.

Unfortunately, getting the skis serviced and waxed isn't an assurance of quality. If they bevel angles on the ski were screwed up to start with, they probably didn't fix it.

If afterwards the skis are still unable to hold an edge on hardpack snow and icy conditions, it is likely a technique issue. If you find the skis a little hard to skid the tips or tails and this is something you want to do, you can take a pocket stone and rub it lightly on the edge to dull it for the first 5-10 cm or so on the front and rear of the ski. If you find you need to do this to ski them well, it is definitely a technique issue.

In summary, its not the skis. Its likely the tune, but could still possibly be technique.
post #34 of 37
Thread Starter 
Comprex, Yes I do ski my miniskis wider, but I wouldn't say I had a classic style!

onyxjl - thanks for the advice. I don't think my local ski shop would be the one to choose for this tune as I live in the Midlands in the UK - which sees snow for abot 3 days per year, and it is pretty flat! I presume the French resort ski-shops when I get there would be my best bet, but I've no way of getting a recommendation. I guess most of them service the local skiers, so may be not an issue. I will definitely keep hold of the skis a bit longer, and get them tuned as you suggest. I just wish I hadn't sold my X-Scream.
post #35 of 37
Not many people here on snowblades or skiboards, huh?

I am willing to bet that techniques is the main problem here. Sure the skis have to have a decent tune, but unless you are a very accomplished skier, going from snowblades to skis can be an eye opener to lapses in technique.

Your current skis are miles above snowblades in performance, so give them a tune and another chance. Getting used to long planks after spending 1 week on snowblades takes some adjustment.
post #36 of 37
Thread Starter 
I'm afraid I can't use that as an excuse - I've only just bought the blades, and skied on them for the 3rd day onwards of my recent week in the Alps. I have been skiing on long skis for the previous 10 years or so, and the C160s for the last 3 visits of a week each. You're right about it being harder to go back to longs though - 1 hour on them on day 6, after 3 days on blades, - I was crap, even by my standards!
post #37 of 37
If you go to a french ski shop you could get the worst service ever (I have had them!) it is really hit and miss.

Most of the guys here refer to tunes because that is what they call it in the States we call it a service. Shops in the States are much more switched on to alternative tunes, base and edge bevels etc which you will never hear of living in the UK and skiing in France.

If you live in the Midlands there are good shops, Lockwoods in Leamington Spa and White Mountain in Wolverhampton are proper ski shops that work with racers and coaches and know what they are doing. Even Snow & Rock in B,ham will do you a good service. Ask for a 1degree base and 2 degree side bevel for your edges which will give you a good all round performance. (you will see lots of discussion of bevels on these forums).

If you are taking lessons in the alps UK instuctors with BASI 1 or BASI Trainer are probably the best qualified ski instructors in the world.
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