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Can't decide between these boots

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
So I've been to couple of shops and tried out Salomon, Nordica and Technia. Tried out both current and old models and as expecte, within a brand there's very little difference in the fit.

I found that Salomons are the best fit for me. Now my shoe size is 9.5, but in ski boots I am able to go down to 26. I tried on the Performa 7,
and I can't decide between 26 and 26.5.

From what I've read and what the bootfitter advised, we did the whole 'flex forward, toes should come back, able to wiggle toes, heel should be secure' thing, and both feel ok to me, with the 26 being a very snug fit indeed. Also, my left foot is slightly larger, so I feel the ideal combo would be 26.5 on the left and 26 on the right.

I keep reading 'if the boots are comfortable in the shop', they are too big. My problem is I have a high pain threshhold and like to push myself hard, so its easy for me to convince myself that I can live with them. I had the boots on for 15 min and walked around in them.

Since the difference is a few mm, should I go for the smaller or larger size? How much does the liner shrink and how long does that take? I'm also concerned that if I take something too small, the foot will swell due to increased pressure.

2nd question - Performa is labelled as recreational, the next line up in XWave. Should I be looking at those? I ski mostly groomed blue, my aim this season is to do black runs under control and learn powder, and I Want the boots to last a while.
post #2 of 17
Thread Starter 
Is this correct -

Quote:
Sizes may vary somewhat by manufacturers. The shell mondopoint sizes are all whole numbers. They make the half sizes by using different liners or insoles so if in doubt get the .5 size. (27.5,28.5, etc.)
from - http://www.mountainsports.com/mondosizechart.htm
post #3 of 17
doesn;t really matter.
they both will strech to the shell shape, and in 10 days will fell the same

some say: go .5 as less to strech out

some say go .0 as more material = less pack out

I say doesn't matter
post #4 of 17
A 26.5 26 26 is the exact same boot. Only difference is the thickness of the stock footbed. The 26 footbed is thicker and puts your foot higher in the shell where the shell is it is slightly narrower and takes up more room under your foot making the entire boot tighter.

You should remove those OEM beds anyway and get some custom made footbeds for your new boots.
post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 
I didn't know that the only difference was the footbed - I thought between half sizes, the liner thickness is different.

I want to try out an inexpensive footbed first - the ones I've read about on this forum are Surefeet, Yoursole and sidas. But the Salomon boots also claim that their liner is heat moldable, maybe I should try that first?
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by Defcon
I didn't know that the only difference was the footbed - I thought between half sizes, the liner thickness is different.

I want to try out an inexpensive footbed first - the ones I've read about on this forum are Surefeet, Yoursole and sidas. But the Salomon boots also claim that their liner is heat moldable, maybe I should try that first?
The liner is identical.

You can certainly try some of the cheaper options first, but the one place you don't want to skrimp is boots and beds!
post #7 of 17
Remember, material can be removed to make the boot slightly larger, but the boot can't be made smaller.
post #8 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon
From what I've read and what the bootfitter advised, we did the whole 'flex forward, toes should come back, able to wiggle toes, heel should be secure' thing, and both feel ok to me, with the 26 being a very snug fit indeed. Also, my left foot is slightly larger, so I feel the ideal combo would be 26.5 on the left and 26 on the right.

I keep reading 'if the boots are comfortable in the shop', they are too big.
could you tell us if the bootfitter did the shell fit? It seems you downsized one size from street size. If the bootfitter did the shell fit, this means that 26 is your size. If he didn't, you could at least try a 25. This would probably put some pressure on your toes but the boot fitter should be able to make room for your toes. The reason is that production boots have thick liners (and thin shells) and there have been some discussions about the Salomon ( X-Wave) liners. Many people said that they pack out too much.

If you want to keep the boot for a longer period of time, i suggest you downsize two sizes from your street size. Let the bootfitter do his work (to make room for your toes and eliminate potential hot spots). the reason is that the fit will be less affected when the liners start to pack out. Your fit will be more consistent.

The X-Wave boots should ski better than the Performa. They have many models so you shoud be able to find one to suit your needs. If you are looking to improve and wnat to keep the boots for a while, i suggest you consider a X-Wave model, but only if it suits your needs.

All,IMO.
Jamie
post #9 of 17
I actually wish manufacturers would just do away with the half sizes - they're bogus in my view. What you want is the best shell fit you can find - forget about the liner. A liner/footbed combo that makes a shell feel "smaller" is useless and can lead the unwary customer into the wrong boot size.

P.S. - Another option that I'd like to see though (but will never happen) is to have "real" half sizes in the shells themselves. I wish manufacturers would produce them for the most popular foot sizes at least (say from 26 through 30).
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by Noodler
Another option that I'd like to see though (but will never happen) is to have "real" half sizes in the shells themselves. I wish manufacturers would produce them for the most popular foot sizes at least (say from 26 through 30).
That would help a lot of people. But it would also mean extra costs for the companies.
post #11 of 17
since the size diff. is just in the liner, go the smaller size and adjust the liner for the larger foot. (adjust = attack with knife!). The liners will pack out.
post #12 of 17
Thread Starter 
Bootfitter did no do a shell fit (by shell fit I assume you mean taking liner out of shell and testing that gap between heel and sheel should be 1-2 fingers?). The shop I went to is rather far so I haven't been back, but since the shell is the same for 26/26.5 I don't think it will make a difference. 25 is defintely too small for me.
post #13 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon
Bootfitter did no do a shell fit (by shell fit I assume you mean taking liner out of shell and testing that gap between heel and sheel should be 1-2 fingers.
Yes.
post #14 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon
but since the shell is the same for 26/26.5 I don't think it will make a difference. 25 is defintely too small for me.
What really matters is how snug the boot will be after a few days on the snow. Initial fit is not that important b/c all the boots are snug (the thick liners make them snug). What feels perfect in the shop can be sloppy on the hill.
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by ant
since the size diff. is just in the liner, go the smaller size and adjust the liner for the larger foot. (adjust = attack with knife!). The liners will pack out.
Come on ant, the size difference is not in the liner!!!

It is in the original equipment Footbed!!!!!
post #16 of 17

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DefCon,
...tighter(initially) feeling/fitting boot shells can be blown out in areas...producing a great fit, while keeping a closer fit in the areas where you want as close a fit as possible..for angulating/steering...etc.
If a #26 shell is letting you minutely slip forward...you can easily be fooled into believing that a #25 will be just as tight, if not tighter in the toebox, when the true result will be just the opposite.
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post #17 of 17
Hey Defcon,

Everyone's already given you great comments but just to add:

I bought xwave 8s at the beginning of the season and I ski at exactly the same level as you (except my parallel turns have issues with the uphill ski and are like shoulder width apart. I know, I'm not that good). Even so, when I got the boots, I was thinking it's not like I can go wrong with a better boot, especially if I planned on improving quickly. So if you plan on getting to a pretty good level of skiing within the next 4 years, you should probably get the xwaves.

I was told my liner was 90% packed out after 7 times of skiing (4 hours per time).. but in reality, I think it probably packed out after 3 times of skiing. It packs out really fast, especially in the heel/ankle area. I also recently went back to the bootfitter and had the toebox expanded because I apparently have wide feet. I asked the guy if I made the right decision, buying these ones versus the Nordica Beasts. He said that the Salomon xwaves are wider (according to him) and that it was easier to blow out the shells to make more room versus the Nordicas. (Said Lange was easy to blow out too.. but those are usually for narrow feet, right?)

Anyway - just remember not to buy until you're 100% sure it's comfortable. I say try the 25.5 if you haven't tried it just to be sure and take your time. Boots are supposed to be the most important purchase.
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